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Obama Wins Split Decision
CLINTON SURVIVES, BUT BARELY.
By John Dickerson
Posted Wednesday, May 7, 2008, at 1:16 AM ET
It was fitting that this Democratic primary, which has seemed at times designed by Willy Wonka, should head to a close in a flurry of confusion and drama. It looked like Hillary Clinton had won Indiana. Obama congratulated her on her victory. Clinton declared victory. CBS said she'd won it. All the other networks waited, though—and not just because HBO's movie on the Florida recount is coming out. Obama's strongest county had not reported, and that gave the networks pause. They were right to wait, since Obama lost Indiana by only a handful of votes.
When Hillary Clinton questioned Gen. David Petraeus last September, she famously said that to believe his description of progress in Iraq required "a willing suspension of disbelief." After the Indiana and North Carolina primaries, the same may now be true about her case for winning the Democratic nomination. It's not that she can't win, but with only 217 delegates up for grabs in the six remaining contests, the scenario for victory has become more fantastical, narrow, and painful.
Clinton won Indiana, but, as she pointed out repeatedly to Petraeus, individual victories—even a surge of them in Ohio, Texas, and Pennsylvania—don't change the whole story. The larger reality still holds. Barack Obama has the lead in elected delegates and the popular vote. Those leads increased Tuesday as he picked up five more delegates and roughly 200,000 more votes. For Clinton to move ahead in those numbers now, she must bring more states into the union.
Actually it's more of a young vs. old. Most of the Hilary supporters are old, and most of the Obama supporters are young.
But the young and old liberal voters have one common thread: narcissism. Vote not what I can do for my country, vote for what bolshevik will give me more stuff at the expense of others.
Without giving ammunition to racists, I was chatting to an American friend of mine (well he is German, but lived in the states) who has supported Obama from the get go but still doesn't think he can win the support needed because of the racism that still exists, specifically in 'red' states, or those that could go either way - Democrat or Republican. I've resigned myself to Obama as the Democrat candidate (not my preferred, but I can't see how Hillary can win this one) and just wondered if people think race will be even more divisive come November. This is not a veiled 'only Hillary can win the swing states therefore should be the nomination despite everything' ploy like a lot of her supporters are falling back on, I'm just generally interested in how people think it will play out.
Without giving ammunition to racists, I was chatting to an American friend of mine (well he is German, but lived in the states) who has supported Obama from the get go but still doesn't think he can win the support needed because of the racism that still exists, specifically in 'red' states, or those that could go either way - Democrat or Republican. I've resigned myself to Obama as the Democrat candidate (not my preferred, but I can't see how Hillary can win this one) and just wondered if people think race will be even more divisive come November. This is not a veiled 'only Hillary can win the swing states therefore should be the nomination despite everything' ploy like a lot of her supporters are falling back on, I'm just generally interested in how people think it will play out.
I live in a "red" state and Obama swept it, as he has many other "red" states. The thing about racism is that it exists everywhere, it just is more noticeable in many of the southern "red" states because there are about 100 times more black people here. And 100 times as many Mexicans as well. When there are virtually no people of other races in your area, racial tension is understandably not a big problem.
Obama almost certainly won my state because there are so many black people, although I see many white people out and about with obama signs in their yard and obama stickers on their cars and I've only seen a couple of Hillary stickers.
Anyways, I guess my point is that many minorities generally feel disenfrachised and having a minority in the race is energizing them. Obama seems to be doing alright in the red states in primaries. Of course, that doesn't mean he will win them over John McCain, but I think even more people will come out to vote for him if he actually gets the nomination (which seems certain).
I couldn't find a more recent map that included north carolina, but it is a red state too, and he did just fine in it. Obama is green and Hillary is peach/orange/whatever the fuck that hideous color is.
And then after that, the ol' red state/ blue state map.
But the young and old liberal voters have one common thread: narcissism. Vote not what I can do for my country, vote for what bolshevik will give me more stuff at the expense of others.
just FYI youre full of shit.
im voting democrat and i stand to lose money not get free stuff. if and only if voting democrat means voting for more taxation.
__________________ When I awoke, the Dire Wolf
Six hundred pounds of sin
Was grinning at my window
All I said was "Come on in".
Grateful Dead
"I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again...
it was more for what little of an lolz factor it was. i wouldn't vote for gravel, ever. merely for vanity though; way too old.
i'm just tired of people throwing the race card around. pointing out racism is just a ploy racists prove to prove that they're not racists.
all i'm saying is ever since hillary's been in this thing, everyone's made jokes about her being a female. most are lolz. but the "one's a really cool guy, & one's been face-down on the desk for the past thirty-years" lines are a little overboard, & just flat-out degrading (& i'm not one to be pro-woman at all). but as soon as one old white ho points out that obama's only gotten this far because he's black (& you all know it's true), everyone throws a tantrum.
if equality's the game we're playing here, i want to see darkie jokes on every psuedo-political comedy hour. or otherwise me & hill are comin' a'tcha.
someone neg rep user Diablo_ with an anime smiley for me btw.
& no, i'm not a democrat or any of those other weird words. i could live with mccain being president. that wouldn't be that big of a deal to me. despite that whole hagee thing. its just obama's sheisty. when ohio was a big deal & obama was letterbombing us all those little brochures about how shitty hillary was, that was pretty much the last straw. weak. & then hillary was all "SAY IT TO MY FACE IN OHIO, DICK". & he did his token "NOW, I DIDN'T SAY THAT" routine & it was just like etc., etc. etc..
the point is, obama needs to go. i realize there's a million other better people than hillary that could be prez, but honestly she's the only one that's plausible. plus, she can drink like no other. she was sipping crown royale like it was kool-aid while talking to her little political people. & you know she was talking about something sassy & hardcore like abortion or child prostitution or something. how are we not saying no to that?
so like, be smart guys. my fellow americanos are my first & foremost concern. though ZT3dster being sent to a FEMA-endorsed death camp would be a rivaling second.
& no, i'm not a democrat or any of those other weird words. i could live with mccain being president. that wouldn't be that big of a deal to me. despite that whole hagee thing. its just obama's sheisty. when ohio was a big deal & obama was letterbombing us all those little brochures about how shitty hillary was, that was pretty much the last straw. weak. & then hillary was all "SAY IT TO MY FACE IN OHIO, DICK". & he did his token "NOW, I DIDN'T SAY THAT" routine & it was just like etc., etc. etc..
the point is, obama needs to go. i realize there's a million other better people than hillary that could be prez, but honestly she's the only one that's plausible. plus, she can drink like no other. she was sipping crown royale like it was kool-aid while talking to her little political people. & you know she was talking about something sassy & hardcore like abortion or child prostitution or something. how are we not saying no to that?
so like, be smart guys. my fellow americanos are my first & foremost concern. though ZT3dster being sent to a FEMA-endorsed death camp would be a rivaling second.
Although I'd be happy if Obama won in November, I'm afraid he won't be able to. I just don't have enough faith in the majority of American voters to bring him over the top. I really do think Hillary has a better shot of beating McCain (notwithstanding sniper fire lies, Monica scandal rehash, lesbian rumours, etc.) But, there is no way she will be the Dem's nominee - there would be riots if they handed it to her. (I guess only if Obama stepped aside, which is not going to happen).
If Obama believes he can win, more power to him...but, if he's letting his ego get in the way of polling information that may indicate otherwise, then he has to do what's best for the country. The same should apply to Hillary or whoever else is the final Democratic nominee.
l'avatar. we've never had the 'in depth' conversation about this. but i completely disagree with you and I am going to say it, i am deeply surprised because you are biracial. now that doesnt mean that would dictate who you like or dont like, but you willfully ignoring the underlying racism is astounding.
__________________ "We believe that the best of America is in these small towns that we get to visit, and in these wonderful little pockets of what I call the real America, being here with all of you hard-working, very patriotic, very pro-America areas of this great nation," she told the crowd.
let me also add that you can of course support whomever you want. my problem is with your assessment of the situation. yes there has been latent sexism but there has been racism as well. standing up againgst stupidity is not playing 'the race card'. so any brown black whatever people who is upset and yes, angry, is playing the race card? whatever. they are genuine feelings.
__________________ "We believe that the best of America is in these small towns that we get to visit, and in these wonderful little pockets of what I call the real America, being here with all of you hard-working, very patriotic, very pro-America areas of this great nation," she told the crowd.
it was more for what little of an lolz factor it was. i wouldn't vote for gravel, ever. merely for vanity though; way too old.
i'm just tired of people throwing the race card around. pointing out racism is just a ploy racists prove to prove that they're not racists.
all i'm saying is ever since hillary's been in this thing, everyone's made jokes about her being a female. most are lolz. but the "one's a really cool guy, & one's been face-down on the desk for the past thirty-years" lines are a little overboard, & just flat-out degrading (& i'm not one to be pro-woman at all). but as soon as one old white ho points out that obama's only gotten this far because he's black (& you all know it's true), everyone throws a tantrum.
if equality's the game we're playing here, i want to see darkie jokes on every psuedo-political comedy hour. or otherwise me & hill are comin' a'tcha.
someone neg rep user Diablo_ with an anime smiley for me btw.
this is crazy talk. obama has been getting shit on for his supposed religion and race since hes been in the game. you just dont hear it much on the net. but in the real world, my friends and neighbors are giving him a bunch of shit for having a muslim background and being black "the world just isnt ready" lines. which may or may not be the case. its certainly the case for the majority of people ive heard at the hospital. and these people are supposed to be liberal!
in any case, the net is a different beast all together. on the net we have two types mainly. eggheads and psycho libertarians. not much for polling general consensus.
secondly, the first time i heard obama was the DNC speech way back when the last election was going on. i was STUNNED by its power. just fucking floored and i remember saying to myself "too bad he's black. he'll never get elected"
i think his race plays worse than her being female. i just think that her being female is easier to grasp. a woman running for president is easier for people to wrap their heads around (in general not on the net) than is a black man running for president.
__________________ When I awoke, the Dire Wolf
Six hundred pounds of sin
Was grinning at my window
All I said was "Come on in".
Grateful Dead
Last edited by dirtyplotte : 05-08-2008 at 06:03 PM.
Reason: typo queen
l'avatar. we've never had the 'in depth' conversation about this. but i completely disagree with you and I am going to say it, i am deeply surprised because you are biracial. now that doesnt mean that would dictate who you like or dont like, but you willfully ignoring the underlying racism is astounding.
and what about jfl? his posts in here earlier on were eye popping. but then again, i expect it from him. he denies race relation problems in general.
__________________ When I awoke, the Dire Wolf
Six hundred pounds of sin
Was grinning at my window
All I said was "Come on in".
Grateful Dead
