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Old 05-14-2008, 01:40 AM
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Although I'd be happy if Obama won in November, I'm afraid he won't be able to. I just don't have enough faith in the majority of American voters to bring him over the top. ...
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l'avatar. we've never had the 'in depth' conversation about this. but i completely disagree with you and I am going to say it, i am deeply surprised because you are biracial. now that doesnt mean that would dictate who you like or dont like, but you willfully ignoring the underlying racism is astounding.
It has to be that good old-fashioned typical American bigotry that permeates our entire society, right?

Now way it could be that he punched in his cred tickets with an afro-marxist preacher, an afro-marxist, America-hating wife with a chip on her shoulder, an America-hating terrorist who wishes he bombed and murdered more Americans who now professes in Chicago University, or his cozy ties with an America-hating black separatist supremeist, or his letting Hamas know that things will be just peachy once he's prez. It can't be because he refuses to wear an American flag lapel pin, refuses to salute the American flag, refuses to recite the Pledge of Allegiance. It couldn't be because he recites marxist terminology.

Nah. It can't be any of that. It has to be because American voters see him as an uppity nigger. Right? Is your mind that fucking insane with hatred of my country? Fucking bigot. You ARE what you accuse my country of being.

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It has to be that good old-fashioned typical American bigotry that permeates our entire society, right?

Now way it could be that he punched in his cred tickets with an afro-marxist preacher, an afro-marxist, America-hating wife with a chip on her shoulder, an America-hating terrorist who wishes he bombed and murdered more Americans who now professes in Chicago University, or his cozy ties with an America-hating black separatist supremeist, or his letting Hamas know that things will be just peachy once he's prez. It can't be because he refuses to wear an American flag lapel pin, refuses to salute the American flag, refuses to recite the Pledge of Allegiance. It couldn't be because he recites marxist terminology.

Nah. It can't be any of that. It has to be because American voters see him as an uppity nigger. Right? Is your mind that fucking insane with hatred of my country? Fucking bigot. You ARE what you accuse my country of being.
christ you are so fucking gullible.
snopes (an unbiased source- have you ever heard of such a thing?) has a whole page dedicated to barack obama because of the frequency of the lies you people try to spread about him.
snopes.com: Politics (Barack Obama)
here's the one that specifically deals with the pledge of allegiance:
snopes.com: Who Is Barack Obama?

how you can dare to accuse anyone of being a bigot is beyond me. It's obvious that you and people like you will never accept anyone who has any ties to the Muslim or even black community because you're just old fashioned ignorant racists at heart. Look at how many times you made reference to the color of a person's skin in this one post- I count 3 in just this one paragraph. We all know you hate marxists, why wouldn't it just be enough to say he was a marxist preacher? Why did you have to bring his color into it? And of course this ignores the fact that the things you're saying are not even true.
and it's obvious you're seething with rage about this black thing too- it wasn't enough that you mentioned the afro preacher once, you had to mention that he's black again immediately following because you're not thinking rationally at all bro.
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afro-marxist preacher, an afro-marxist
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Our country is filled with racism. And you're obviously a part of the problem. Christ, we had Jim Crow laws on the books until 1965 Ted. And that was just when the legality of it went out. That's in your lifetime.
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if we're going to compare everyones churches, i think john hagee is by far the worse criminal of them all. calling the pope "the great whore"? saying new orleans was wiped out because of the massive gay pride event happening that day? the tsunami's obliterated south asia because of their high reverence of idols & not God? seriously? what's next? 9/11 happened because they ran out of curly fries in the WTC cafeteria? amazing.

but jeremiah wright is just as disgusting. or at least not too far behind hagee. i could care less about whitey & what mr. wright has to say on the subject, but shit like God Damn America & the whole oppressed man bit is so stale. wallace fard & louis farrakhan not only did the victim shit better, but managed to blacklist an entire religion while doing so, which is a far bigger accomplishment than these men will never do with their lives. if they think they're doing the right thing, perhaps they should take a look into the People's Temple or the Children of God.

personally, i don't give a fucking shit what he has to say about not pledging the flag. it's not a rumor; it happened. there's pictures. there's videos. but once he comes up with a "I AM A, AHHH.. CHRISTIAN. I, UHHH.. SWORE IN WITH A BIBLE. &, UHHHH.. I LEAD THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE STIMES. LOL", you guys are like THE GRAND OLE PARTY IS OUT TO GETTUS! ROLL OUT!!1!

the point is, he can't deny proof. & it's pretty much what he just did. they even have video of him flat-out refusing it when everyone else, including hillary, the antichrist, did. & anyone who chooses to believe his word over what his actions are behind closed doors is, as herekitty would say, gullible.

& an idiot.

stop being scared of people calling you a racist or close-minded. jesus christ. it's 2008 people. stop trying to be so fucking politically correct.
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Big deal about not doing the pledge of allegiance. Obviously he wouldn't have dedicated his life to American politics if he hated America so much.

Most Americans don't even remember how to say the whole pledge anyways.
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Man, I didn't even think of these type of people: The Daily Dish | By Andrew Sullivan

BTW Edwards is about to endorse Obama.
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Man, I didn't even think of these type of people: The Daily Dish | By Andrew Sullivan
it's the plethora of those type of people that make me fear Obama will not be able to win.

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what a coward...if he truly wanted to endorse Obama, it should have been before the North Carolina primary. But no, he had to be sure that Obama would win first.
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Eight reasons why Obama should not choose Clinton as his running mate in `08

I know, I know. More than 15 million Democrats have voted for Hillary Clinton in the primaries and many of them are so invested in her candidacy that they're threatening to stay home in November or vote for Republican in waiting John McCain in the very likely event that the Democrats nominate Barack Obama for presdient.

Obama should choose her as his running mate to honor and woo those Clinton supporters. He should choose her as his running mate to help soothe the still escalating intra-party hostilities. He should choose her as his running mate because she runs far stronger than he does among certain core Democratic constituencies.

And for those reasons he probably will offer her the No. 2 spot on the ticket.

Yet here are eight reasons it's a bad idea:

1. Choosing Clinton would belie Obama's message of change. Whether you admire her or not, you have to acknowledge that Clinton's an old-style, legacy Democrat. Obama's candidacy is premised on a break with the past.

2. Choosing Clinton would belie Obama's repudiation of the old way of doing politics. Clinton and her surrogates are tough campaigners who have gone hard after Obama (see below) trying to draw him into the fight. And on those occasions where he and his team have responded in kind, Team Clinton has smirkingly asked whatever happened to the politics of hope?

3. Bill Clinton. He's a brilliant man and an amazing politician, but he's shown an inability to stay on message and keep his foot out of his mouth as he campaigns for his wife. Obama already has Rev. Jeremiah Wright to worry about -- he doesn't need another loose cannon out there ready to fire.

4. She's polarizing. For all that she's shown how popular she can be with certain groups of primary voters, Hillary Clinton also remains a controversial and unpopular figure. Here are her "unfavorable" ratings among all voters in a set of recent national polls, with Obama's unfavorability ratings in parenthesis: 37 (30) ; 45 (37) 46 (38) 49 (40) 54 (39) 53 (37).

5. She'll be the star of anti-Obama commercials: "It’s imperative that each of us be able to demonstrate we can cross the commander-in-chief threshold," she said on March 6. "I believe that I’ve done that. Certainly, Sen. McCain has done that and you’ll have to ask Sen. Obama with respect to his candidacy.”

6. She's gone beyond the pale in attacking Obama: "I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. Sen. John McCain has a lifetime of experience that he'd bring to the White House. And Sen. Obama has a speech he gave in 2002," she said on March 4. Clinton delivered this insulting, dismissive, destructive critique several times, and it's a bell she can't unring.

7. She's toting unpacked baggage. Clinton likes to claim that she's been thoroughly vetted and withstood all the Republican attacks of the 1990s and now any bad news about her is simply old news. It's not so. Obama hasn't called her on this claim because he's trying to preserve the image that he's above the politics of scandal. And the Republican operatives are lying in the weeds, boosting Clinton's candidacy and licking their chops, waiting to pounce.

Not only are there all the "--gate" scandals from her husband's administration that were set aside rather than fully resolved in the public's mind (travel, file, cattle and so on), but the issue of the pardons Bill Clinton granted on his way out of the door and the mysterious funding sources from the Clinton Presidential Library are still out there.



8. Picking a real teammate is better than picking a political counterweight. Bill Clinton of Arkansas himself surprised the pundits in 1992 when he chose as his No. 2 another young moderate Democrat from from the mid-South -- Al Gore of Tennessee -- and the two ran a vigorous, consistent campaign. Obama would do better to pick someone of his generation who shares his general outlook and who can speak passionately and convincingly to voters about why they should support Obama.
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I wonder if it will be Obama/Edwards '08
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christ you are so fucking gullible.
snopes (an unbiased source- have you ever heard of such a thing?) has a whole page dedicated to barack obama because of the frequency of the lies you people try to spread about him.
snopes.com: Politics (Barack Obama)
here's the one that specifically deals with the pledge of allegiance:
snopes.com: Who Is Barack Obama?

how you can dare to accuse anyone of being a bigot is beyond me. It's obvious that you and people like you will never accept anyone who has any ties to the Muslim or even black community because you're just old fashioned ignorant racists at heart. Look at how many times you made reference to the color of a person's skin in this one post- I count 3 in just this one paragraph. We all know you hate marxists, why wouldn't it just be enough to say he was a marxist preacher? Why did you have to bring his color into it? And of course this ignores the fact that the things you're saying are not even true.
and it's obvious you're seething with rage about this black thing too- it wasn't enough that you mentioned the afro preacher once, you had to mention that he's black again immediately following because you're not thinking rationally at all bro.

could you be any more obvious?
Our country is filled with racism. And you're obviously a part of the problem. Christ, we had Jim Crow laws on the books until 1965 Ted. And that was just when the legality of it went out. That's in your lifetime.
That man sat in a church for 22 years listening to a preacher who preaches that Christ is black, swears alegiance to Africa, and preaches liberation theology, which is a bastardized version of Christianity by wrapping Christianity around marxism. Read the church's website and its newsletter. Every other word out of Wright's preachings is either black or white. Wright made this a race issue, which is why I keep pushing race. Your sniveling at me for saying race three times when that prick references race dozens of times through a so-called sermon.

He has been doing that for 35 years in that church. Obama sat in that church for 22 years and he expects us to believe he had no idea what that bastard is about? He marries a broad by Wright who is just like Wright. I went down and listened to her give a speech when she was in LaJolla. It was one of the most sickening things I have ever heard. He baptises his two daughters by Wright. And Obama had no clue what that man was about?

I say bullshit. I say Obama is just like Wright.

And as for sleazy friends, how about Rezko, a Syrian with ties to Hezbollah, Hamas and other hadji orgs? Guess where Obama announced he was going to run for Prez? In the living room of Ayers, with his wife and Ayers' common law wife there.

And there is a whole lot more that is going to come out about Obama.

As for his not swearing allegiance, wearing a flag pin or saluting the flag, he would not do any of them until the heat came on. The first time he actually put a flag pin on was when some mangled WW2 vet walked up to him, gave it to him and told him to wear it. He wore it for one day. Notice that he has been wearing one for about a week now? It is because a few journalists ragged on him real good. As for pledging allegiance or saluting? Sure, he MIGHT be doing it now, but only recently, and because he knows if he doesn't it he will further ruin his campaign.

At first, Obama was all about being of no color. He ran on being a post-racial candidate. He ran on there is no red or blue America, no right or left, but a united America. Yeah, right. I knew that was crap. But then Wright was outed. Obama said he could no more disown him than he could his own white racist grandmother. Remember him throwing his granny under the bus to save his ass? If he will sell out his granny, what do you think he would do to you, or this nation? Then he turns around and tells the nation race is something we must talk about. He completely changed his campaign from that of being a bargainer to a challenger. He changed it from being a campaign that avoided race to being a campaign all about race.

Then Wright comes out and in the National Press Conference, affirms all the crap he was saying. AND he dis'ed Obama. Well, that was when Obama threw Wright under the bus. He didn't throw him under for his beliefs. All he did was say the same shit he always said. But Obama couldn't handle being dis'ed, and that was why he through him under the bus as well.

Snopes is only half right about the KKK endorsing Obama. Sure, a KKK endorses him, but it isn't the traditional KKK. It is the KKK movement founded and ran by Farakhan that endorsed him. Farakhan is a black, supremist separatist, yet I have never heard you lunge out there and bash away at him. No. In your eyes the ony people capable of being racist are whites.

I never said Obama is a moslem, but he is no different than a muslim. In case you don't know the difference, Farakhan invented the Nation of Islam, and they consider themselves to be Black Muslims. Then you have your regular traditional Moslems. Nation of Islam is a radical splinter faction of Islam.

Read the newsletters of Wright's church. Read their website. Search around and you can find archives of how it was before this mess and look at it now. They pulled some of the rad shit, but they still say the same thing. Watch Wright's full sermons.

I will make a prediction. William Ayers. Obama has been speaking fondly of him over the years. Before November, he is going to throw Ayers under the bus, too.

Obama likes to say he was a community organizer. Dig into that one. You will see that term is a rather bland term. He was an instigator. But then leftists always put bland or patriotic names to shit they do.

Face it herekitty, or sophie, or tit or whoever the fuck you are this hour, Obama is a radical leftist doing his goddamnest to hide it. And it isn't going to work, despite the fact that the lamestream media is in the tank for him and will strain their fucking guts out to get his worthless ass in the White House.

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I wonder if it will be Obama/Edwards '08
I think that would be the best political move for Obama right now. It would shoot down Hillary's 'appeal to blue collar voters', which is what she and the media seem to be focus on in keeping her in the game. If he ran with Edwards this might go some way to keeping the party together, and if he shows he'll listen to Edwards he's far more likely to win over these voters.
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id prefer obama and ted kennedy or obama/pelosi.i voted obama.i dont get how and why this late in the game hillary won west virginia by so huge a margin unless all or majority of dems there are racists and hillbillies even in md i have heard a few people say they wont vote for a woman or a black man i am so scared mccain will win and perhaps next time the republicans will just go to a nursing home to find their next candidate we already had one senial president ronald reagan anybody with his crazy trickle down effect.if the republicans win again i dont think they will be unseated at the next election so its either change now or wait 8 plus years.most astrologers have ruled out hillary.
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you know what gedts me so excited? the idea that obama might be president and it will freak out and piss off the wacky conservative fringe (see ted above) as much as it freaked me out that bush ran two terms.

i hope to god he gets it. it will be a fun four years watching them shit their pants.
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you know what gedts me so excited? the idea that obama might be president and it will freak out and piss off the wacky conservative fringe (see ted above) as much as it freaked me out that bush ran two terms.

i hope to god he gets it. it will be a fun four years watching them shit their pants.
Whoever gets in will be shitting their pants. Will Obama be better at dealing with the shadow government than, let's say "John Kennedy?
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