so, was reading apparently there is a new extreme porn act. now while I actually do not like the extreme stuff one bit I am getting sick of these bereaved parents taking their grief out in some long extended campaign. people used to plant a tree and name it after their lost loved ones, now they make up a law.

I don't know if councilling is failing them and in a effort to cope they are jumping into these projects, I can't imagine how lost, hurt and angry someone would be after losing a child but it seems now that anger is being rather blindly aimed at broad sections of society.

how on earth can someone being prosecuted for owning an image where no offense is being committed? When I say I don't like the extreme stuff too, I dunno what they actually means extreme. I mean all the torture scenarios and stuff. bum slapping and tied downs (i'm sure no one wanted to know that)

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I have nothing constructive to add to this, but that sounds fucking spot on to me.

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what rankles me is that no one has the guts to say to tell them they're not an expert on the matter just because it's effected them. This woman has no idea about any of the psychological effects of pornography. no idea what the current law entails (well probably she got a quickie break down by a lawyer) she had nowt more than a platform to speak on the subject.

she cannot be objective. I thought it was one of the fundamental principles of law to be objective. so how can blatantly non-objective people be even allowed to propose laws!!?

i'm angry about this now.

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seconded.

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exactly, that's the whole point. while your heart goes out to sarah payne's parents, and megan's (whoever she is), and all the rest, falling victim to a crime doesn't render you some massive expert on ...fucking british constitutional law. it just makes you someone upset and trying to find a purpose to this yawning great chasm of loss...it was like the handguns row after the dunblane shooting: while i don't think ANYONE needs, or should be allowed, to own a gun, you had to kinda question the legitimacy of legislaton that came about from 'popular' opinion on the back of a cover of 'knocking on heaven's door'

like, earlier today, i was listening to middle england fm and they were talking about the sentencing of the killers of that goth-girl who was set upon by some scallies in a lancashire park, and some of the callers giving their view on what the judge 'ought to have done' were friends of the victim and while you feel every sympathy...

it was one of those facts that has drummed into us at a-level and which remains witn me to this day: "studies have shown that the majority of british people would welcome the reintroduction of capital punishment ( ) and yet this is never going to make it to the statute books cos MPs vote with their consciences here" (and thank Gawd). One email read out on the radio today called for the killers to be be hanged - in public. EEEEEEEK.

I think it is ridiculous that this law is being pushed through too. What people like to watch, filmed between adult actors and actresses, in the privacy of their own home should not be subject to legislation. I don't think the mother understands that someone isn't 100% bang on normal, and perfectly well hinged, before watching one piece of porn and turning into a psycho. The guy probably would have done it anyway. And there are plenty of mentally ill people who claim voices from the television told them to commit crimes, and we don't ban television for everyone else.

I also think its strange that porn involving (stimulated) serious injury to a woman's breast, vagina or anus will be banned, but about half the horror flicks that come out now have that sort of stuff in. Didn't Eli Roth make that trailer with a woman on a trampoline getting impaled through the vagina with a knife? So its alright to have that on general release in cinemas, but its not alright for people to get similar things off specialist websites?

Church and parenting "groups" and conservative governments should also be banned. Actually, let's ban them from living.

This brings me back to Tipper Gore country and that PMRC bullshit, 20 years on and we're still having retarded conversation entertaining this kind of censorship crap. Well, at least have an EXPERT entertain this crap....

Yeah, 100% with folk on this one. The law she's proposing makes absolutely no sense, and for some reason she's allowed to respond to anyone who suggests that with "if you don't like it, hard luck", and why? Because she's sad about stuff. Well big fucking whup.

What I've been so far unable to figure out is whether this law only extends to pornography, or if it will also extend to "non-porn" films that depict rape (say Irreversible, or Deliverance), given that neither pornographic nor non-pornographic films feature, you know, ACTING, of any kind. Seriously, do people think everyone who gets raped in a porno was raped in real life? Do people think everyone who dies on TV has somehow been resurrected every week? Normal people can separate movies from reality, so why is it so hard to see that only people with a predisposition to violence and psychosis are being affected by movies, and that they'll always find something that'll spark them off? I mean, shit, to use a trite example, how many psychos have managed to find one sentence in the Bible that lets them shoot whoever they want? And how much danger is there of that being banned?

One of the really weird things about this law is that a lot of the acts that it is illegal to watch are things that are actually legal between consenting adults.

BBC NEWS | Magazine | When does kinky porn become illegal?

It's utterly ridiculous!

And this is what I don't understand: HOW HAS NO-ONE SAID ANYTHING TO HER?

Interesting thing though, someone told me it's illegal to pay someone for sex... unless you film it, and then it's perfectly okay. Anyone get that?

at least if she was making the argument that pornography as a whole tends to incolculate shitty attitudes to woman then she would at least be being consistent. but i dont have a lot of sympathy with her and completely agree that emotional blackmail is not a legitimate means for changing the law

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someone on that bbc site has made a good point, that this is essentially a minority move that effects the majority. great work on that democracy you guys. I don't care how many signatures were on her petition, I'm pretty sure it's not in the tens of millions.

basically because she's bereaved her opinion is worth more than yours.

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this is new hegemony of britain

chairmen of large companies and the like>chart musicians>bereaved parents>scum>you

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Yeah, remember the big paedo thing, where we were going to have Megan's Law and shit. Did that happen? I can't remember. I'm kinda hoping that people actually saw sense on that one, and realised that the only reason a good half of everyone wouldn't be on "the list" would be because the police sucked.

(edit: rocker_stalker's post is a bit better at explaining this)

I agree bereaved parents are irrational and stupid. Remember Sarah Payne and the family wanting "Sarah's law"? Wonderful papers such as the Sun and News of the world started publishing names of so called suspected paedophiles which in turn cause vigilante groups going after people. More often than not they got it wrong and a Paediatric Doctor got attacked because the thick twats didn't know the difference between a paediatrician and a paedophile.
The new pornography law is a big pile of tripe, I can be breaking the law by reading Bizarre magazine, because apparently looking at a pic of an alternative model, top less and tied up is illegal now. I hate how this country is going.I agree bereaved parents are irrational and stupid. Remember Sarah Payne and the family wanting "Sarah's law"? Wonderful papers such as the Sun and News of the world started publishing names of so called suspected paedophiles which in turn cause vigilante groups going after people. More often than not they got it wrong and a Paediatric Doctor got attacked because the thick twats didn't know the difference between a paediatrician and a paedophile.
The new pornography law is a big pile of tripe, I can be breaking the law by reading Bizarre magazine, because apparently looking at a pic of an alternative model, top less and tied up is illegal now. I hate how this country is going.

I see your point. It's a good one for debate, but I would like to add to it. Your point that she cannot be objective is absolutely true. Which brings me to a point I would like to add.

I don't think people who are on the public dole, or who work for the government should be allowed to vote. They cannot be objective in their votes because they will almost always vote for the candidate who promises them a pay raise.

I think someone who campaigns to get a law passed to help prevent others from suffering the loss they suffered is much less likely to damage society. The one's who vote themselves gifts from the public treasury definitely cause damage to the society.

i was just thinking about that the other day for some reason. absolutely ridiculous.

bereaved parents + tabloids + mob mentality = ugh. this country is getting ridiculous. sorry to sound like an old man, but...it really is.