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05-28-2006, 11:12 PM
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| | | Seattle Post Questions 911 Commission's 'Findings' 9/11 Commission report is a lie
RICHARD CURTIS
GUEST COLUMNIST
Writing about a speech by one of the members of the 9/11 Commission, P-I columnist Joel Connelly claimed: "Each of us needs to understand why we are doing what we are doing." ("Sept. 11 show the flaws with protocol," May 8)
Indeed! The problem is that the "why" we have been told appears to be a complete fiction.
Connelly seems to assume that because the 9/11 Commission was bipartisan that we should accept its conclusions and recommendations. But is that true? Is the commission's story credible?
The commission's conclusions and recommendations should be totally rejected. Its story is full of lies, distortions and omissions of fact. Following are two of the more than 40 reasons why the official story about what happened on 9/11 is untrue.
First, who were the hijackers? We do not know. None of those named appear on any of the passenger lists released by the airlines. Most important, six of the men named by the government are still alive and have never even been to the United States. We know that because European media (as reported by The Associated Press, the London Telegraph and the BBC) have interviewed them. It is not a matter of mistaken identity not being noticed or someone using a false passport. The commission insists that the people they named were the hijackers but that claim is demonstrably false.
If that most basic claim is false, and the information was available to the commission (which it was), and the commission still claims that it has given us "a full account" of what happened that day based on "exacting research," it's clear that the members are lying. In his book, "The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions," Dr. David Ray Griffin documents all that and concludes the whole report is one long lie.
Second, in the months after 9/11 all of the surviving New York City Fire Department personnel who were on the scene were interviewed. Those oral histories were recorded and withheld from the public until Aug. 15, 2005. Only after losing in court three times did the city of New York finally release them. All 503 are now posted on The New York Times Web site. Why did the city fight so hard to keep them from the public?
It turns out those oral histories reveal details about what was happening in the World Trade Center buildings that are completely inconsistent with the tale told by the commission. Dozens of firefighters and medics reported hearing, seeing and feeling explosives going off in the buildings that collapsed. Why were there explosives, very powerful explosives by all accounts, going off in the buildings? More disturbing, why was the pattern of those explosives identical in some important ways with the pattern used in a planned implosion (or controlled demolition of a building)?
In spite of Connelly's faith in what commission members say, the report seems to be an obvious cover-up. The question that we all need to ask is: What is the commission covering up? Was 9/11, in fact, an inside job? http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinio...lyrebut16.html | 
05-29-2006, 04:20 AM
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I love it when people blindly trust mis-information told to their face and swallow it without question.
| Hey, it's what keeps Dems and Repubs in office all these years...
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05-29-2006, 04:25 AM
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| | | good article. | 
05-29-2006, 08:01 PM
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| | | yes, good article, and thanks for posting. but i doubt we're ever going to find out.
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05-29-2006, 08:02 PM
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| | | doubt this will get very much attention at all.
All you crazy conspiracy theorists.... | 
06-01-2006, 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by W. Wanker doubt this will get very much attention at all.
All you crazy conspiracy theorists.... |
I find it interesting the way the mainstream bag is beginning to leak. | 
06-01-2006, 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by thisbytes A snippet from the feedback/comments section: Quote: |
I love it when people blindly trust mis-information told to their face and swallow it without question.
| | But this goes for pieces like this too. He should be more specific about the ass press, bbc, etc., reporters he is referencing. And as for the firefighters that were there- who the hell knows what it's like to be in a building that is undergoing controlled demolition? And how do you know that a plane slamming into a building wouldn't mimic that? | 
06-01-2006, 01:48 PM
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| | | If we can use the metaphore of the Titanic as it relates to the arrogance of Western Society, and the trip of destiny: America needed a tragedy like this to steer its ship from pending world crisis. The captain may not have been informed when a special force team blasted a whole in the engine, and disabled the propeller. Who and why this special team was needed is a moot point.
If you have ever had the fortune to watch as a barge goes down the Mississippi River you will recall the way it sucks the water out of all the tributaries and backwaters ahead of its wake, and then sends the water back to the shores in large bouncing waves. Inertia itself can be a cause of concern for potential mishap and damage.
This is the nature of driving large obstacles through uncharted or muddy waters. A captain who cannot adapt to rapid fire decision making must have a solid cleanup team. The "ship of hope" can sometimes take on the role of "ship of fools".
AY, AY, Capt'n, head me to the horizon.
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06-01-2006, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by herekitty But this goes for pieces like this too. He should be more specific about the ass press, bbc, etc., reporters he is referencing. And as for the firefighters that were there- who the hell knows what it's like to be in a building that is undergoing controlled demolition? And how do you know that a plane slamming into a building wouldn't mimic that? | This isnt even worth the debate anymore. It all comes down to what sources one choses to believe or not believe. If you look long enough online you can find mainstream-looking, "scholarly" revelations for almost anything-- 9/11, the federal reserve, who killed jfk, pearl harbor.. nazi atrocities.. Because they exist does not make the correct, nor factual, nor informative. Its just not possible for some to understand that.
In this case, 9/11 doubts and conspiracies duly noted. Believe as you choose to. | 
06-01-2006, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by kittensKathi2 This isnt even worth the debate anymore. It all comes down to what sources one choses to believe or not believe. If you look long enough online you can find mainstream-looking, "scholarly" revelations for almost anything-- 9/11, the federal reserve, who killed jfk, pearl harbor.. nazi atrocities.. Because they exist does not make the correct, nor factual, nor informative. Its just not possible for some to understand that.
In this case, 9/11 doubts and conspiracies duly noted. Believe as you choose to. | Living in the moment is where you find Heaven. Lies are fabricated and embellished with attractive rhetoric. The language of the heart is another story; a music of the soul; a resonance of the universe.
Live the moment! Let the scholars and the Pharasies have history.... you can have today!  Create your own world with compassion and love and curiosity, and don't give too much creedance to the experts. They are in it for the recognition, the power. the money..... all very shallow worldly possesions. | 
06-01-2006, 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by google It turns out those oral histories reveal details about what was happening in the World Trade Center buildings that are completely inconsistent with the tale told by the commission. Dozens of firefighters and medics reported hearing, seeing and feeling explosives going off in the buildings that collapsed. Why were there explosives, very powerful explosives by all accounts, going off in the buildings? More disturbing, why was the pattern of those explosives identical in some important ways with the pattern used in a planned implosion (or controlled demolition of a building)? | haven't read the article yet, but if you understand anything about the engineering of the WTC, you'll know why it imploded this way. it's because the buildings were constructed using a relatively different type construction of tubes to make up the exoskeleton. when the building failed, it failed, not because of the impact of the planes, but because the core had reached such an incredible temperature with the added combustion of the airplane fuel (it's fire rating probably would have allowed it to stay standing had it not been for this factor) that the insides caved and pulled the sides inward.
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06-28-2006, 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by alpha zygote haven't read the article yet, but if you understand anything about the engineering of the WTC, you'll know why it imploded this way. it's because the buildings were constructed using a relatively different type construction of tubes to make up the exoskeleton. when the building failed, it failed, not because of the impact of the planes, but because the core had reached such an incredible temperature with the added combustion of the airplane fuel (it's fire rating probably would have allowed it to stay standing had it not been for this factor) that the insides caved and pulled the sides inward. |
Why did the North tower fall at the same speed that an anvil would fall through the air from the same height ?
Why wouldn't the floors at least slow the descent ?
It took 8.4 seconds for 94 floors to collapse. | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode |
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