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Old 04-12-2008, 01:28 AM
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Why can't Ron Paul get a "no"?

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Rep Ron Paul: Gen Petraeus Iraq Surge Hearing

Please watch and let's discuss why this Libertarian/Republican of consistent integrity and honor is a problem for liberals, democrats, republicans and neocons.

Why is he the only one who appears to understand why Big Government leads to unjust, unconstitutional and undeclared wars?
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It's really simple. Ron Paul advocates for taking away unconstitutional powers from federal government while the rest of congress is drooling to have a piece of that power. Of course they're going to have a problem with him, because, unlike the majority of the politicians from the last century or so, he actually acknowledges and upholds the constitution.

btw, the video is now unavailable so i wasn't able to see it
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Let' hope it is available from Google video again soon. I tis quite revealing and a powerful statement. He asked a multitude of questions for the congressional record, and then asked the US Commander of Iraq(Gen. Petraeus) if the President has the power to bomb Iran without Congressional approval. He replied that he was Commander of Iraq and hadn't the purview(authority) to answer the question. Senator Paul pointed out that saying "no" would be a reasonable answer, yet to say he couldn't answer was rather revealing of the Commander's avoidance/"buck-passing"(my words).
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Hate to interrupt the circle jerk, but we already had this discussion. Ron Paul isn't a problem because he's unelectable. Libertarians may not care to have answers to important questions (sorry, I mean silly questions, like "ummm.... so who pays for maintenance?") when they decide who to vote for, but the majority of the voting electorate does, which is why they vote for parties that actually have some kind of answer - even if it's wrong or a lie - over someone who looks at them blankly as if this is the first time anyone's ever asked.

And re: the OMG UNCONSTITUTIONAL POWERS, your constitution is a joke anyway. If a law needs to be passed, is widely supported, or just makes sense, it should be passed, or at least debated without some asshole trying to block it just because it's "unconstitutional". Sooner you guys burn that piece of shit the better.
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I wouldn't expect you to be much interested in truth-seeking and/or integrity in regards to a swearing-in promise to uphold the constitution. This is what representatives are elected for--of course Senator Paul no longer has enough to win his party's nomination, yet his campaign supporters still feel the message is important. Your message of "burning the piece of paper" is representative of the external interests that have undermined our abilities to restrain our government from pre-emptive war and other injustices. Freedom has different appeals to different peoples. Strong ideals make for balanced and healthy lives.
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of course Senator Paul no longer has enough to win his party's nomination, yet his campaign supporters still feel the message is important.
Of course they do, they all have Aspergers. They have an unfair advantage over the rest of us because they are medically incapable of realising how hilarious they are to other people.

A libertarian system does not work. A libertarian influence can be a good thing if severely temprered, but Paul's policies were a crock. This is why he chose to attack his fellow candidates, rather than talk about himself. Why should anyone vote for him? It wasn't important, apparently.

It might piss you off, but the war isn't and shouldn't be the only issue of this election. A lot of people might well agree with RP about the war, but no-one's going to elect him based on that, and his ideology, which would be far more important were he to become president, simply doesn't hold water.

I don't know, are you seriously saying that people should be using the presidential race as a platform for the grinding of personal axes, regardless of their relevance? Does Dr Paul need to run for president in order to raise these issues?
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While the Libertarian platform ultimately wouldn't work, especially on a nation our size, I wouldn't write Ron Paul off completely. There were some valid points he brought up that no other candidates are talking about--he was railing on about the economy before the housing bubble and credit crunch actually came to head, for example. If anything, he at least brought topics seldom discussed to the table, relevant topics that needed to be addressed but weren't by the others.

<<I don't know, are you seriously saying that people should be using the presidential race as a platform for the grinding of personal axes, regardless of their relevance? Does Dr Paul need to run for president in order to raise these issues?>>

I don't think he was using the race to "grind personal axes" more than any other candidate, and without running for president, I'm not sure there would've been any exposure to certain issues he touched on. Additionally, it's extremely difficult for a third party, any third party, to get the airtime he recieved. Sort of says a lot about our system. Does anyone remember Nader not being allowed to a debate which he was invited, and being escorted off the premisis in '04? Paul actually got quite far considering that, and it gave some people an idea that maybe it's not just about Democrat and Republican. Americans have a short memory span, and the younger people probably don't remember how far Buchanan got in the 90s (not that I'd want Buchanan as a president either), until he abruptly quit.

I'm not saying I think he'd be a great president; just that his running for office wasn't a bad thing.
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While the Libertarian platform ultimately wouldn't work, especially on a nation our size,
Haha What system do you guys think the majority of the time this country has been around has run on?
Think they had social security in Paul Revere's day?

It seems when we started interjecting all these other ideologies along with things like North American Free Trade Agreements, that we have really sent ourselves down the crapper.
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Well, considering that the US indeed hasn't been running the same since Paul Revere's day starting in 1917 (maybe sooner?), it's going to be impossible to make it run on a Libertarian platform. (or bring it back, whatever)
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Yeah, we used to be monkeys; doesn't mean we should be monkeys again.
"We used to stand for something; doesn't mean we should should stand again."

Once you lose virtue its hard to have personal freedom, or to get back on track without a major crisis. A world wide depression will result from misguided folly. Yes, 1914 is about the turning point. 2014: The Great Awakening?
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Well, considering that the US indeed hasn't been running the same since Paul Revere's day starting in 1917 (maybe sooner?), it's going to be impossible to make it run on a Libertarian platform. (or bring it back, whatever)
Betcha people will be more open to it once we really swirl the drain.

Shouldn't be much longer with jobs leaving in herds, Bush signing the free trade agreement with Colombia to send even more out and other countries actually owning our debt.
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Sadly a good percentage hasn't followed that advice.
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Sadly a good percentage hasn't followed that advice.
Lol whut?

I'd have thought you'd be a Dr Paul supporter.
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Ah, so you are a Ron Paul supporter. Good, I wasn't quite ready for the alternative.
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Ah, so you are a Ron Paul supporter. Good, I wasn't quite ready for the alternative.
And you won't ever have to be.
I don't root for the same teams who cause the problems to also fix them. That would just be silly.