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Too late Obama: BREAKING NEWS

Political Radar: Obama Condemns Wright's Defense

Obama Condemns Wright's Defense

April 29, 2008 2:34 PM

ABC News' Ed O'Keefe Reports: Sen. Barack Obama strongly condemned recent comments made by his former pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, in a high-stakes gamble by his campaign to control a spreading political firestorm.

Reacting to what he called the "spectacle" of his former pastor at the National Press Club, Obama, D-Ill., denounced Wright saying, "What Rev. Wright said yesterday directly contradicts everything I have ever done or said in my life."

"Whatever relationship I had with Rev Wright has changed as a result of this," Obama said.

WATCH OBAMA'S PRESS CONFERENCE BY CLICKING HERE

Speaking the National Press Club in Washington on Monday, Rev. Wright called the recent criticism surrounding his sermons "an attack on the black church".

"This is not about Obama, McCain, Hillary, Bill or Chelsea, this is about the black church," Wright said, speaking before an enthusiastic audience of black church leaders at the onset of a two-day symposium.

Throughout his speech and a subsequent question and answer session, Wright defiantly argued that many of his critics had not heard his whole sermons and that the media had twisted his words.

Wright vigorously defended himself against accusations he is unpatriotic but in Washington, he went on to compare U.S. troops to the Roman legions that killed Christ, to praise Nation of Islam Leader Louis Farakhan, and to suggest that the AIDS epidemic was a racist plot.

WATCH THE WORLD NEWS VIDEO REPORT ON WRIGHT'S CONTROVERSIAL COMMENTS BY CLICKING HERE

The Reverend also said he was quoting a previous U.S. Ambassador to Iraq when he said African Americans should sing "God damn America" not "God Bless America" in his first sermon following the 9/11 attacks.

"You cannot do terrorism on other people and not expect it to come back on you," Wright said on Monday. "Those are Biblical principles, not Jeremiah Wright 'bombastic' principles."

Obama came out forcefully on Tuesday, insisting he was "disappointed" by Wright, and rejecting his one-time pastor's assertion that the controversy was an attack on the black church.

The candidate went considerably further than he has in the past in distancing himself from Wright, accusing him of "insensitivity and outrageousness" in his Monday appearance at the National Press Club in Washington.

"The person I saw yesterday was not the person I met 20 years ago," Obama said.

Wright has been Obama's pastor since the Illinois Democrat joined the church. He performed Obama's marriage ceremony and baptized the candidate's two daughters.

At a speech last month in Philadelphia, Obama made clear that while he disagreed with some of the sentiments Wright espoused in sermons, he would not "disown" a man he considered to be "like family to me."

"He strengthened my faith, officiated my wedding, and baptized my children," Obama said in that speech. "I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother -- a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe."

Obama did not say if would stop attending Trinity United Church of Christ on the South Side of Chicago. A new pastor, the Rev. Otis Moss, recently took over for Wright, after Wright's retirement from the pulpit.

The reaction was much stronger than what Obama offered the previous day and reflects a decision by the Obama campaign to try to directly confront the comments by Wright, after weeks where Obama tried to perform a more delicate dance where he distanced himself from the message but not the messenger.

"I have said before and I will repeat again that some of the comments that Reverend Wright has made offend me and I understand why they've offended the American people," Obama told reporters hastily gathered for an impromptu press conference on the tarmac in Wilmington, N.C.

"He does not speak for me. He does not speak for the campaign and so he may make statements in the future that don't reflect my values or concerns," Obama continued, later adding with a smile, "I think certainly what the last three days indicate is that we're not coordinating with him."

Clearly the Obama camp deemed that effort not enough and the decision to speak out again seems designed to quell concerns among Democrats -- including superdelegates -- about some of Wright's more inflammatory remarks.

But it also raises additional questions for Obama -- including why he maintained a 20-year spiritual relationship with Wright, and why he chose not to denounce Wright when the story first spread six weeks ago.

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My comment: I fully believe that Obama doesn't share Wright's beliefs. However, that doesn't matter. The Republicans will have more fodder now than ever to win McCain the Presidency.

The Swift Boat Vets campaign on Kerry in '04 is baby stuff compared to the firestorm that will follow Obama now.

Huge miscalculation politically on Obama's part to not distance himself from this religious loose cannon weeks ago..... Not only is Wright a nut, he seems to be a vengeful nut as well, and so consumed by his own ego that he just might sabotage the hope of a first black presidency.

I feel bad for Obama. The media can make him but it can also break him. What people forget is that the media revolves around itself: anything that makes a big splash will keep on going until people finally lose interest.... and it looks like Rev. Wright, with his insatiable ego, seems intent on gaining and keeping interest. Another miscalculation by Obama.
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seriously, did somebody pay this Wright guy to be a spoiler?
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im so sick of this stupid pastor, has nothing to do with obamas policies
yeah well when people questioned his Christian orientation he cited Wright's church as the one he attended for... what 10, 20 years?? He kept it in such a different regard until the scope shifted unfavorably towards the church...

opportunistic, hmm, so maybe he really is a politician.



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Obama should just come out of the (atheist) closet already. But of course he would have absolutely no chance in hell (pun intended) of being President.

Wright has some fucked up pride issues that seem unresolved from childhood. I think Obama correctly described him in his race speech, except he was a bit too nice about it. He should throw Wright in the category with those bitter Pennsylvanians.

*sigh*

Gotta love religion as a clutch.

My latest view on the whole thing: it will be a combined ticket with both Obama and Clinton. I'm not sure if anyone read that long ass article I posted about the past two times the Dems had the reformer vs. the established candidate. Once we went with the established (Clinton) and the other time we went with the reformer (Obama) and both times we loss to the Republicans. The one thing that wasn't tried was both on the same ticket and it will likely happen now. Besides, it's the only way to remotely bridge the gap between the supporters from both sides.
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Press Release4/24/2008
An Open Letter from Dr. Maya Angelou
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I am writing to tell you about my friend, Hillary Clinton, and why I am standing with her in her campaign for the presidency. I know the kind of president Hillary Clinton will be because I know the person she is.

I am inspired by her courage and her honesty. She is a reliable and trustworthy person. She is someone I not only admire but one for whom I have profound affection.

Hillary does not waver in standing up for those who need a champion. She has always been a passionate protector of families. As a child, she was taught that all God's children are equal, and as a mother, she understood that her child wasn't safe unless all children were safe. As I wrote about Hillary recently in a praise song: "She is the prayer of every woman, and every man who longs for fair play, healthy families, good schools and a balanced economy."

It may be easy to view Hillary Clinton through the narrow lens of those who would write her off or grind her down. Hillary sees us as we are, black and brown and white and yellow and pink and relishes our differences knowing that fundamentally we are all more alike than we are unalike. She is able to look through complexion and see community.

She has endured great scrutiny, and still she dares greatly. Hillary Clinton will not give up on you, and all she asks is that you do not give up on her. She is a long-distance runner. I am honored to say I am with her for the long run.

I am supporting Hillary Clinton because I know that she will make the most positive difference in people's lives and she will help our country become what it can be. Whether you are her supporter, leaning towards her, undecided, or supporting someone else, I believe Hillary Clinton will represent you – she will be a president for all Americans. It is no small thing that along the way we will make history together.

Vote for Hillary Clinton and show your support at HillaryClinton.com - Welcome. I know she will make us proud.
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I'm on MM's mailing list, so a week ago received his letter endorsing Obama: MichaelMoore.com : My Vote's for Obama (if I could vote) ...by Michael Moore

Did anyone actually go to the NYTimes blog and compare that to the misleading claims in MM's "endorsement"? I'm guessing that maybe MM either: a) did not read the entire commentary himself, or b) assumed that none of the infatuated Obama supporters would feel the need to get past the photo of Bill Clinton shaking hands with Rev. Wright in '98.

In his "endorsement" MM says that Bill "brought him to the White House for 'spiritual counseling' on the Lewinsky affair'" and provided a link to a New York Times blog showing Bill Clinton shaking hands with Rev. "Wrong" in 1998. In actuality, Rev. Wright was invited to a White House breakfast for spiritual leaders.

MM then goes on to praise Senator Obama for his "decency" and for "being silent" on this "spiritual counseling", even though the commentary states that the photograph of Bill & Wright were provided to the New York Times by the OBAMA CAMPAIGN.

I think the reason why Obama never mentioned it publicly is not because he is "decent", but because it would be a stupid political ploy to do so. MM makes it sound like Rev. Wright was giving the Clintons personal individual spiritual guidance when really that relationship involved breakfast at the White House with many others.

In light of Monday's Wright/Obama disaster, it makes MM's endorsement all the more absurd.

Again, I like Obama. I would vote for him as the Democratic nominee. I don't believe that Senator Obama shares Rev. Wright's beliefs. I'm just pointing out that Senator Obama is a politician just like everyone else, and he and his campaign, despite the smooth/charming image, makes the same political maneuvers as any politician. HRC can "change" America just as effectively as BHO.

I just contributed $100 to the HRC campaign because HRC has taken repeated insults, scrutiny, and calls to "quit", and she's still going strong. She deserves admiration for her strength, not vilification!

Policy side note: I printed out her health insurance proposal and Obama's and compared the two, and while they are similar, hers is better. If anything, Obama should credit her for her ideas, because I think his plan borrows heavily from hers, and she's been involved in that subject on a national level longer than he has.
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Again, I like Obama. I would vote for him as the Democratic nominee. I don't believe that Senator Obama shares Rev. Wright's beliefs. I'm just pointing out that Senator Obama is a politician just like everyone else, and he and his campaign, despite the smooth/charming image, makes the same political maneuvers as any politician.
Way to stick it to those Obama worshipers who aren't participating in this thread.
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Obama should just come out of the (atheist) closet already. But of course he would have absolutely no chance in hell (pun intended) of being President.

Wright has some fucked up pride issues that seem unresolved from childhood. I think Obama correctly described him in his race speech, except he was a bit too nice about it. He should throw Wright in the category with those bitter Pennsylvanians.
Do you think Obama's going to pay the price for not "disowning" him sooner? It really sucks that this can potentially ruin him...and the media is just eating it up.

And I know you've said that I was obsessed with the sexism angle (which I still think plays a big role in the Hillary hate), but the more I hear about Wright, the more I also see how racist the entire thing is. I don't think the media would give this nearly as much attention otherwise.

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My latest view on the whole thing: it will be a combined ticket with both Obama and Clinton. I'm not sure if anyone read that long ass article I posted about the past two times the Dems had the reformer vs. the established candidate. Once we went with the established (Clinton) and the other time we went with the reformer (Obama) and both times we loss to the Republicans. The one thing that wasn't tried was both on the same ticket and it will likely happen now. Besides, it's the only way to remotely bridge the gap between the supporters from both sides.
I think a joint ticket would probably be their best bet now...if only Hillary can shut up and get behind the front runner.

If she somehow snags the nomination, I wonder if the lesbian rumours re Huma Abedin will start up again?

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yeah its too bad that obama isn't a wishy washy asshole who will drop people at the first sign of trouble. like HRC.

obama made his own personal perceptions known while still saying that he loved this man, wright. and now wright wants to trash him. i suspect bc wright felt slighted. also because this is wrights 15 minutes of fame and farrakhan is using that to his full advantage.

i mean talk about infighting.
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a bunch of trash talk about obama and then out the other side of her mouth...

Again, I like Obama.
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Another great idea posted on Kittyradio

Obama should be President and Hillary can be the Vice President...

Can you imagine that? A black man in charge of a white woman
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And there is more....

Bill Clinton would have to kiss his wife good bye as she boards Air Force one with President Obama as they head off to some far away place...

My only question is.... What about the mile high club?
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Could it be because she's female? ... and females are "supposed" to be compliant?

Editorial on why it is (historically) inappropriate for journalists to call for a strong candidate to quit:

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Wed, Apr 30, 2008 12:40pm ET

So now the press tells candidates when to quit?
by Eric Boehlert

History continues to unfold on many levels as the protracted Democratic Party primary race marches on, featuring the first woman and the first African-American with a real shot at winning the White House.

Here's another first: the press's unique push to get a competitive White House hopeful to drop out of the race. It's unprecedented.

Looking back through modern U.S. campaigns, there's simply no media model for so many members of the press to try to drive a competitive candidate from the field while the primary season is still unfolding.

Until this election cycle, journalists simply did not consider it to be their job to tell a contender when he or she should stop campaigning. That was always dictated by how much money the campaign still had in the bank, how many votes the candidate was still getting, and what very senior members of the candidate's own party were advising.

In this case, Howard Dean, the head of the Democratic National Committee, said he was "dumbfounded" by public demands for Clinton to drop out last month. (He now wants one of the candidates to quit after the final June 3 primary.) Yet lots of pundits have suggested that in a neck-and-neck campaign in which neither candidate will likely secure the nomination based on pledged delegates, Sen. Hillary Clinton must drop out before all the states have had a chance to vote.

I realize the political debate surrounding the extended Democratic campaign remains a hot one, with people holding passionate opinions about the delegate math involved and what the consequences for the Democratic Party could be. I'm not weighing in on that debate. I'm focusing on how journalists have behaved during this campaign.

And the fact is, the media's get-out-now push is unparalleled. Strong second-place candidates such as Ronald Reagan (1976), Ted Kennedy, Gary Hart, Jesse Jackson, and Jerry Brown, all of whom campaigned through the entire primary season, and most of whom took their fights all the way to their party's nominating conventions, were never tagged by the press and told to go home.

"Clinton is being held to a different standard than virtually any other candidate in history," wrote Steven Stark in the Boston Phoenix. "When Clinton is simply doing what everyone else has always done, she's constantly attacked as an obsessed and crazed egomaniac, bent on self-aggrandizement at the expense of her party."

Indeed, even after Clinton won the Pennsylvania primary convincingly last week, she awoke the next morning to read an angry New York Times editorial, "beseeching her to get the hell out of the race," as Howard Kurtz put it at washingtonpost.com. On the Times opinion page that day same, Maureen Dowd actually turned to Dr. Seuss rhymes to make her point: "The time is now. Just go. ... I don't care how."

And across town at the New York Daily News, a bitter Mike Lupica was steamed over the fact that Clinton "won't quit" the race.

Weeks earlier, New York magazine fretted about which senior Democrats would be able to "step in" and "usher Clinton from the race." Or if Clinton, obsessed with her own "long-range self-aggrandizement," would finally figure it out herself.

Meanwhile, Slate.com's snarky Hillary Deathwatch was created to document, day-by-day, the demise of her campaign, complete with a damsel-in-distress cartoon drawing of Clinton atop a sinking ship.

That represented just a fraction of the often offensive get-out-now proclamations that have become a staple of this campaign.

No longer content to be observers of the campaign, journalists now see themselves as active players in the unfolding drama, and they show no hesitation trying to dictate the basics of the contest, like who should run and who should quit. It's as if journalists are auditioning for the role of the old party bosses.

It's a new brand of political commentary that leaves some veteran journalists perplexed. "The idea that it's your job to tell candidates when to get out, and really trying to control the whole process -- putting it in the hands of the journalists or the reporters or the columnists -- I find that to be new and different," Haynes Johnson told me last week. A Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, Johnson has covered more than a dozen presidential campaigns and is currently working on a book about the unfolding 2008 contest.

Johnson says he was astonished to read some early calls in March from the media for Clinton to get out of the race. He was stunned by "the pomposity and the arrogance of it."

Indeed, a very strange leap has been made this year by lots of media commentators who argue against Clinton's candidacy. Rather than simply detailing her deficiencies and accentuating the strengths of her opponent, which political observers have done for generations, time and again we saw pundits take the unprecedented step of announcing not only that voters should not support Clinton, but that she should also quit. She should stop competing.

More often than not, the analysis ends up resembling poorly argued temper tantrums. For instance, The New Republic's Jonathan Chait has written three essays about why Clinton must abandon her race for the White House, each increasingly petulant in tone. (We learned the "rationalizations" for Clinton's "kamikaze campaign" are "wretched.") Last month Chait wrote that Clinton's chance of winning the Democratic nomination this year were closer to Ralph Nader's than they were Barack Obama's or John McCain's. It's a reasonable comparison, if you ignore the nearly 1,600 delegates Clinton has amassed, compared with Nader's zero.

Chait also compared Clinton to former presidential candidate Sen. Joseph Biden, suggesting that if Biden could figure out when it was time to quit the race, why can't she?

Searching for candidates who did the right thing and went "gentle into that good night," Chait compared Clinton, whose campaign has secured nearly 14 million votes, to Biden, whose campaign ended abruptly in January after he received roughly 2,000 votes in the Iowa caucuses. That's who Clinton is supposed to emulate when ending her campaign run.

Quick note: I realize the press is not alone here and that scores of liberal bloggers have also loudly made the claim that the Clinton should drop out of the race. But there's a clear difference between the two groups, I think. Lots of liberal bloggers have a strong allegiance to advancing the progressive agenda and feel that to improve the party's chances in the fall, Clinton should give up. That's fair game, and that's part of an internal Democratic Party debate that continues to unfold.

And yes, journalists should report on that internal struggle, quote lots of players, raise all kinds of questions, and commentators should provide in-depth analysis about the ramifications. But what we're seeing this cycle -- and it's unprecedented -- is independent journalists taking it upon themselves to weed the presidential field by demanding one of the remaining candidates simply quit.

And no, this is not part of some larger liberal media conspiracy where the Beltway press is desperate to elect a Democrat and that's why so many journalists are anxious to get Clinton to quit -- because it might help the party's chances in November. The truth is, as The Daily Howler noted last week, the Beltway media's love affair with John McCain only grows deeper and more affectionate with each passing day.

This is more about media arrogance and unleashed elitism.

In the past there was always an assumption among journalists that candidates had earned the right to decide when they should quit. Journalists also respected the fact that candidates represented a sizable portion of the primary voting public and that the candidates owed it to their supporters to fight on, that there was a symbolic significance for the candidates -- and their supporters -- to persevere.

With Clinton, though, the press seems to have almost complete disregard for the 14 million voters who have backed her candidacy, as well as the idea that she is their representative in this race. Instead, they treat her entire campaign as some sort of vanity exercise in which voters do not exist.

And if pundits do acknowledge the Clinton voters, it's often with baffling ignorance, the way Time's Mark Halperin claimed many of Clinton's supporters would be "relieved" and "even delighted" if she dropped out. Really? Delighted? Halperin offered no proof to back up the peculiar notion.

But again, the point here worth stressing from a journalism perspective is that this is all brand new.

Looking back at history, it's hard to find evidence of the same media response to Ronald Reagan's failed 1976 presidential campaign. Taking on President Gerald Ford, Reagan lost more primaries than he won, and Ford won a plurality of the popular vote, but neither man had enough delegates to secure the nomination. So the campaign went to the GOP convention, where Ford prevailed. The bitter battle did nothing to damage Reagan's reputation (in fact, it did quite the opposite), in part because the media did not collectively suggest the candidate was acting selfishly or irrationally. Instead, Reagan walked away with a reputation as a resilient fighter who stood up for his conservative values.

And what about Sen. Ted Kennedy's doomed run in 1980? He trailed President Jimmy Carter by more than 750 delegates at the end of the primary season and insisted on fighting all the way to the convention, where he tried to get committed Carter delegates to switch their allegiance. The press did not spend months during the primary season ridiculing Kennedy, in a deeply personal tone, for remaining in the race.

And what about Gary Hart in 1984? He and Walter Mondale split the season's primaries and caucuses evenly, and neither had the 2,023 delegates needed to secure the nomination. Superdelegates eventually determined the winner. (Sound familiar?) Mondale had many of them locked up even before the campaign season began, so after the final primary between Mondale and Hart was complete, it was obvious that Mondale was going to be the nominee because Hart could not persuade enough superdelegates to change their mind and support him.

When Hart took his crusade all the way to the convention, the media did not form a posse and decide it was their job to get Hart to quit for the good of the party. (And the press certainly didn't form a posse in March to start pushing Hart out of the race.) Nor did the press collectively suggest that Hart had an oversized ego that had turned him into a political monster.

That new media standard has been created exclusively for Hillary Clinton.

And where were the catcalls in 1988 for Jesse Jackson to ditch his quixotic run before all the primary votes had been tallied? He finished with 1,200 delegates, nearly 1,400 behind Michael Dukakis, yet soldiered on all the way to the convention without having a prayer of winning the nomination. There were few if any media drum sections trying to pound him out of the race.

Or Jerry Brown in 1992? He continued his campaign against Bill Clinton through June despite the fact he tallied fewer than 600 delegates. (By contrast, Hillary Clinton has won approximately 1,600 delegates so far.) Brown's attacks at the time were far more personal and bruising than anything we've seen this cycle. As The New York Times reported on June 2, 1992, Brown "put his party on notice that he intends to carry his politics-is-corrupt, Clinton-is-unelectable message to the Democratic National Convention in New York in July, and beyond." Brown also told the Times that voting for Clinton was like buying a ticket on the Titanic.

At the time, Clinton was actually polling in third place nationally, behind President George H.W. Bush and independent candidate Ross Perot, so why wasn't the press in a frenzy demanding that Brown drop out of the race because he was hurting his party's chances in November?

If you look at Reagan and Kennedy and Hart and Jackson and Brown, those men all ran competitive races. But toward the end of the primary season it was clear most of them had no mathematical chance of winning the nomination. (Reagan was the exception.) Yet none of them was told collectively by the press to go home. Nor were they routinely depicted in the media as being self-absorbed.

Today, Clinton does have a chance to win. Yet she has been told by the press to go home and to get over herself.

It's unprecedented.

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