Obama or Clinton? - Page 83

fen99us · #**411** 02-11-2008, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ThePrude

sort of off-topic, but why does Washington State have both a caucus and a primary (and the primary doesn't count?)

I was wondering the same damn thing. Seriously, someone has made this entire process more complicated than it needs to be.

dollpartz · #**412** 02-11-2008, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by vegyrex

Its not like Ron Paul. That crazy ass fool is still chummy with his racists palls from the days he printed that newsletter. I've read Paul has taken money from white supremacist groups and gladly accepted it. At least Hillary and Barack have returned money if it came from unscrupulous individuals.

What evidence you have that Paul is still chummy with racist pals? ... People can be racist and hide it ... I can tell you a story you won't believe about how they can hide it. There was documentary about a ex-Nazi guard that hid out in Toronto and was best friends with a Jewish family ... they were completely shocked when they found out what he was.

Hillary and Barack don't know everyone and everything ... lotta money could be from unscrupulous people ... they don't wear signs 'unscrupulous here' ... I consider corporate lobbyists unscrupulous ... for some reason many democraps think corporate lobbyists are harmless ... fortunately Barack does not, and since he's gonna win, all Hillary's 11 corporate lobbyists will close their act and slink back to the shadows .....

bodah · #**413** 02-11-2008, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ThePrude

Fen, I didn't mean to come off as insulting, because I'm positive there are many intelligent and educated people who voted for Obama because they think he's the stronger candidate in terms of policy and effectiveness. However, going back to something you said earlier about there being a lot of stupid people in the USA, I do think that a lot of people are letting themselves get swayed by the persona...all those "latte liberals" with empty lives who are looking for some sort of inspiration to fill the void.

And geek, I'm not going to pretend that I'm well versed enough in this stuff to compare their records. I do know, however, that when comparing Obama and Hillary in terms of how they'd be able to navigate themselves through the Washington landscape, that her many years of experience, and her connections are going to go a long way. And I think it's naive for anyone to think that this isn't important.

Sorry to do this (I'm probably saturating this place with article posting) but I just found this, and it sort of falls into what I was thinking:

Sorry I missed all these posts.... it's a good discussion.

I wonder whether HC would help or hurt the O ticket, but I agree that Hills should bow out-- that would be EXTRAORDINARILY MAGNANIMOUS! and she would win some popularity over that. Sometimes I think, if she cared about her country (which is the reason she gives for running) then she would see the writing on the wall with the populist vote and support O.

But I'm torn on whether she would hurt or help O. I tend to think she would help. Your typical average American voter doesn't care so much who the running mate is unless the frontrunner is weak personality-wise, and then again, they don't care that much. I think they would make a fabulous team, and haha, HC would be "President" of something; the Senate, that is. She would rock that position!

But forgettabout it. I'd be shocked if she conceded.

dollpartz · #**414** 02-11-2008, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bodah

In other news, however, there is an asshole to band AGAINST: MC CAIN. I retract everything positive I've ever said about McCain being OK, because he is just as ugly as any of the other Repugnicans.

Thing I've noticed about him lately as he began winning is he's obnoxious ...

I dunno, I read somewhere Hillary and McCain are good friends ...

But you guys are big about being brave and strong ... Well, so is McCain. And it shows ya being brave and strong is not everything. They can be fighters, but what matters is what they are fighting for and WHO they are fighting for.

Another amusing parallel is the only candidate that has more corporate lobbyists than Hillary running their campaign is McCain. She has 11 and he has ... 26!!

vegyrex · #**415** 02-11-2008, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ava__adore

Again, excuse my English lack of understanding, but are super delegates not senators etc who are democratically elected by the people of the states they represent? If so, and those peoples votes can take a country to war or specify tax etc, surely they are handed the responsibility by the people to make these decisions? Either that or it's like the House Of Lords here, which is just appointed seemingly on the whim of who is in charge and who did who what favours. Well that and bishops.

Superdelegates don't have to be elected by the people. Donna Brazile, Al Gore's former campaign manager, is a superdelegate. She holds no elected office at the moment. It seems people who are party insiders can be appointed a superdelegate. The DNC fully controls this. Senator Joe Lieberman was just stripped of his superdelgate status for supporting John McCain.