I don't get the people who are always "experience comes first". Bush is the most experienced President there's ever been. He was born into it.

Barack will win, and will do great things for America and the rest of the world, along with a very strong team of experienced people behind him. Clinton won't make a good leader, end of.

I think I was pretty clear in this thread and the previous Clinton thread on why I didn't like her. She's on my radar because her husband was on my radar. The more I read, the more I don't like.

Do I think Obama can banish lobbyists completely? I have no idea since I don't recall anyone ever trying. I do think that someone who refuses lobbyist support has a better chance than someone that thrives on it.

The basics about the Clintons that I do not like is that there is a history of them appearing to be for a good cause or care about people and then the second it looks like it may hurt their political career, suddenly they no longer care (I think black people were the most recent victims to come to light). Their ways have become more publicly apparent from Hillary's campaign alone. Not to mention the countless incidents of conflict of interest. Or the fact that people harp on about her "helping children" but don't talk about her serving on corporate boards. As if most of her 35 years of "experience" was about helping people. To top it off, it looks like Obama has done more for people, and stuck to the core of his beliefs in his "short" career than she has in her life time. I am sick of people quoting the woman from her youth about what she has done or will do or wants to do. Many of us have said that kind of shit when we were young and optimistic. Does everyone believe she stuck by that in her 35 year career? She's all talk and no fucking action, just like her husband. Read all the links I posted to see why I don't like her.

Edit, actually you can save yourself the trouble of reading all the links I posted and read this entire list:

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Without getting into how much ‘experience’ means and how it should be obtained, the current President was a grown man when his own father became president. He was already grown when his dad was Regan’s vice-president. Poppy Bush is also, I think, the only elected president of my lifetime who hadn’t previously been a governor.

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Oh ok, I just wondered if you had some specific personal reason that is all. I mean, I don't like a lot of what I hear McCain stands for, but I don't hold the same level of... disregard?.. for him that you seem to for her. You're obviously entitled to this, I just wondered if you'd worked for her and seen something the rest of us hadn't or something. I read the list you posted previously, and I was impressed (though it's clearly a pro Obama site). I'm not anti-Obama, I'm just pro-Hillary. And I found the media circus and Obama's playing to it seemed to lack sincerity.

I don't think Hillary has much chance though, and I haven't realistically from the start. I saw a speech by the American pollster Bob Worcester (who founded MORI) over a year ago, and he made that clear too. This is more true now with the huge championing of Obama.

Well McCain is a Republican, something I have never been. I don't pay as much attention to him because I don't expect him to do anything for me. However, the Clintons always claimed they would do something for me. I looked to them to live to their word as representatives and leaders of my party. They failed. I don't think you need a personal connection to an elected official beyond paying their salary with your tax dollars. I find that the Clintons lack integrity and its intolerable. Yes, all politicians lie, but the extent that this couple has lied is astounding. The fact that they have done things that are more Republican than Democrat is utterly disturbing. The fact that she is taking money from the people she claims to be fighting is worrying. She can not be trusted, to put it simply.

People can claim all they want that Obama may do the same, and he may, but I'm willing to give him a chance. Hillary had a chance under the original Clinton administration. She can't argue one minute that she is different from her husband while in the same breathe argue her experience from his presidency. Essentially, what she's saying is, "I've already been there." Well, if that's the case, the Constitution says that you can not go back.

If I could trust that Hillary would live up to her word, I would have little issue with supporting her (tho she scares me on foreign policy). But she has not proven that she will live up to her word. And the shit her husband did while in office, which she supported, makes me feel she will do the same once elected. All words, no action. The only action is protecting the Clintons. I don't elect people to public office to only protect their own family; I elect them to protect MINE.

By the way, if that site is pro-Obama, so what? Read the whole list and click on the links which prove what they are saying. Being pro-anyone is irrelevant if what is stated is factual. She flip flops countless times. She opening says one thing to the public and says another privately. Anything to win a vote. That is utterly disgusting.

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"How wrong it is for a woman to expect the man to build the world she wants, rather than to create it herself."

"I postpone death by living, by suffering, by error, by risking, by giving, by losing."

"I will not be just a tourist in the world of images, just watching images passing by which I cannot live in, make love to, possess as permanent sources of joy and ecstasy. "

-from the goddess that is Anaïs Nin