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Old 04-29-2008, 10:47 AM
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Great Op-Ed from NY Times re: recent Wright/Obama event

The Pastor Casts a Shadow

By BOB HERBERT
Published: April 29, 2008
The Rev. Jeremiah Wright went to Washington on Monday not to praise Barack Obama, but to bury him.

Smiling, cracking corny jokes, mugging it up for the big-time news media — this reverend is never going away. He’s found himself a national platform, and he’s loving it.

It’s a twofer. Feeling dissed by Senator Obama, Mr. Wright gets revenge on his former follower while bathed in a spotlight brighter than any he could ever have imagined. He’s living a narcissist’s dream. At long last, his 15 minutes have arrived.

So there he was lecturing an audience at the National Press Club about everything from the black slave experience to the differences in sentencing for possession of crack and powdered cocaine.

All but swooning over the wonderfulness of himself, the reverend acts like he is the first person to come up with the idea that blacks too often get the short end of the stick in America, that the malignant influences of slavery and the long dark night of racial discrimination are still being felt today, that in many ways this is a profoundly inequitable society.

This is hardly new ground. The question that cries out for an answer from Mr. Wright is why — if he is so passionately committed to liberating and empowering blacks — does he seem so insistent on wrecking the campaign of the only African-American ever to have had a legitimate shot at the presidency.

On Sunday night, in an appearance before the Detroit N.A.A.C.P., Mr. Wright mocked the regional dialects of John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson. I’m not sure how he felt that was helpful in his supposed quest to bring about a constructive discussion about race and reconciliation in the U.S.

What he is succeeding in doing is diminishing the stature of Senator Obama. A candidate who stands haplessly by as his former spiritual guide roams the country dropping one divisive bomb after another is in very little danger of being seen by most voters as the next J.F.K. or L.B.J.

The thing to keep in mind about Rev. Wright is that he is a smart fellow. He’s been a very savvy operator, politically and otherwise, for decades. He has built a thriving, politically connected congregation on the South Side of Chicago that has done some very good work over the years. Powerful people have turned to him for guidance and advice.

So it’s not like he’s naďve politically. He knows exactly what he’s doing. Forget the gibberish about responding to attacks on the black church. That is not what the reverend’s appearance before the press club was about. He was responding to what he perceives as an attack on him.

This whole story is about Senator Obama’s run for the White House and absolutely nothing else. Barack Obama went to Rev. Wright’s church as a young man and was blessed with the Christian bona fides that would be absolutely essential for a high-profile political career.

Faster than anyone could have imagined, the young Mr. Obama became Senator Obama and then the leading candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination. Then came the videotaped sermons and the roof caved in on Rev. Wright’s reputation. Senator Obama had no choice but to distance himself, and he did it as gently as he felt he could.

My guess is that Mr. Wright felt he’d been thrown under a bus by an ungrateful congregant who had benefited mightily from his association with the church and who should have rallied to his former pastor’s defense. What we’re witnessing now is Rev. Wright’s “I’ll show you!” tour.

For Senator Obama, the re-emergence of Rev. Wright has been devastating. The senator has been trying desperately to bolster his standing with skeptical and even hostile white working-class voters. When the story line of the campaign shifts almost entirely to the race-in-your-face antics of someone like Mr. Wright, Mr. Obama’s chances can only suffer.

Beyond that, the apparent helplessness of the Obama campaign in the face of the Wright onslaught contributes to the growing perception of the candidate as weak, as someone who is unwilling or unable to fight aggressively on his own behalf.

Hillary Clinton is taunting Mr. Obama about his unwillingness to participate in another debate. Rev. Wright is roaming the country with the press corps in tow, happily promoting the one issue Mr. Obama had tried to avoid: race.

Mr. Obama seems more and more like someone buffeted by events, rather than in charge of them. Very little has changed in the superdelegate count, but a number of those delegates have expressed concern in private over Mr. Obama’s inability to do better among white working-class voters and Catholics.

Rev. Wright is absolutely the wrong medicine for those concerns.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/29/op...hp&oref=slogin

I just want to add that the issues that Obama is currently facing is exactly why "experience" is important in a political realm. Yes Obama has done great things, and he has enough political experience to lead a country of infatuated supporters. But Hillary has MORE experience, and she doesn't need anyone to be infatuated with her. In fact, she's been reviled by many. But look at her! She's still trying and not caving! THAT impresses me. THAT is true leadership!

The Clintons have dealt with people slinging shit at them before. For the same reasons that people criticize the Clintons for being "reherased", "too political", and "not genuine" are the exactly why they are strong and good at what they do when met with adversity. They are USED TO the vicious backbiting... The fact is, this is politics, folks, and you'd be a fool to think otherwise. We would like to believe in the nebulous concept of "hope", but lately, I'm getting "hope" from Hillary Clinton's tenacity in the face of continual adversity and ugliness. Although Obama is right in saying that it's been no "cakewalk" for him, especially in running against the Clintons (which I agree -- the Clintons ARE formidable), his supporters and the media are basically infatuated with him. By comparison, Hillary's supporters aren't really infatuated with her-- they just think she can do a great job. This might explain why Obama supporters get so nasty when you say anything critical at all about their man-- they're in love, and heaven help you if you come between them and their high!

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Old 04-29-2008, 10:56 AM
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Gee, someone doesn't understand what it's like to have an absent parent. You develop an obsession over wondering who they are and how they are reflected in you.
See "red herring", because this is beside the point. Obama's career is that of a politician, not a novelist or a psychotherapist. I'm evaluating his book based on his political aspirations, which is fair.
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Old 04-29-2008, 10:59 AM
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ditto this, except not to that extreme. as in, my father was a drug addict off and on, was around off and on, but he is still a mystery to me. bodah, sorry, but just because my mother was really the one who raised me (my aunt too), that doesn't mean I was any less influenced by the things he did or didn't do, for better or worse. He's been through way more interesting/horrible things than my mom and never talks about any of them. If thinking more about those things than how much I love my mother makes me a horrible hypocrite and unappreciative misogynist, well, w/e.
See response above. This is not about you, or my alleged lack of empathy. This is a discussion about Obama and his choices.
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Old 04-29-2008, 11:11 AM
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yeah really. and i neglected to mention another vital point. Obama, yes, was raised by his white mother, and white grand parents, all while growing up with brown skin. the one person in his immediate family that shared that brown skin was the person that was not there. i'm sure that fueled his curiosity.

also, i'm taking a guess that bodah didn't read the damn book. from what i've read so far, and what i've read of it, she couldn't be more wrong in her assessment. further, it was written after his father died. when my father passed away, i craved knowledge about him more than ever because i knew i would never get the satisfaction of knowing him as well, personally. it's fucking tragic, not something some idiot should be insulting. don't let the complexity get lost on you in your lame attempt to attack someone.
as usual, you are hyperbolizing what i wrote instead of being rational and then attacking me personally about it. I am not "questioning his curiosity" or his "obsession", I merely pointed out that this is what he, and aspiring politician, CHOSE to publish a book about.

Additionally, you've criticized me for typing the words "culturally black" with a dismissive "whatever that means", while on the same thread acknowledging that cultural identity does play a role in peoples' prejudices.... and then when I criticize anything about Obama, you attack me personally!

You are infatuated with Obama, and no one can criticize him about anything without you getting your claws out. I even LIKE Obama! That's the funny thing, is that you have this weird sort of near-religious fervor about him!
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Wright is RUINING Obama

Could Rev. Spell Doom for Obama? - Rough Sketch

Wright sounds like a nut.

If you previously thought that Obama could win against McCain, it's time now to change that opinion. Wright's association with Obama can now ruin his chances at being president. Any previous infatuation with Obama among educated whites will now suffer a serious blow, and this cannot be traced to the HRC campaign.

Worth mentioning again, just in case those of you who are so infatuated with Obama mistake my criticisms of Obama with dislike of him: I will support any Democrat who can win against McCain, whether it's HC or BO. I've swung between HC and BO since I started this thread.

But at this moment in time, no matter who has won what states, this is very bad for Obama's campaign, it's about to get worse, and I'm not "happy" at ALL that Rev. Wright is causing Obama this grief.....

Because BIG PICTURE-WISE what this COULD mean is that Obama wins the Democratic nomination and then LOSES to McCain, which would be bad for us all.

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