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02-20-2008, 09:12 PM
|  | like you anymore | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Toronto
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| | | George W. Bush is America's Cancer
John McCain as President: The Cancer spreads, and America takes up smoking to boot. Hillary Clinton as President: America gets chemotherapy and radiation, it's going to be painful, and "dreaded", but America will most likely pull through, and be stronger for it. Barack Obama as President: Lets forego the "established" way of going about things. Let's try something new. It might be a new miracle cure, and be America's saviour - or it might be some experimental treatment in the Philippines.  |
02-20-2008, 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ThePrude  Yes, she has this experience - vs. Obama's 8 years on the Illinois state senate. Sure, same thing right? :rollseyes: People who try to discount her experience and say that she and Obama are "equal" in that category there are clearly delusional...sorry, but they are. | The only experience that Hillary has that the public can look to is her legislative experience. Obama has more of it, that simple. I said before, let me see her records as First Lady. Oh wait, her community service shit? Obama has that too. I mean seriously, tell me what her experience is, I am dying to know. The problem isn't that people attack Hillary's experience, its the 35 years she keeps quoting that no one can seem to find. It's the fact that in a lame attempt to support her, people claim that Obama has no experience. Meanwhile, if you just looked the man up you'd see his voting record, how many bills he wrote (over 800), how many he co-sponsored (over 1000) and how many significant laws he helped to pass, namely:
-The Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006
-The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act
-The 2007 Government Ethics Bill Quote: |
I'm not trying to have it both ways - because she's not credited for her accomplishment in the White House, but instead blamed and belittled for having a rotten marriage, and for who her husband fooled around with.
| No, that isn't it at all. I agree, there are definitely some that just think she's an idiot for staying with such a loser. I'll also admit to being one of them, as I stated before, perhaps she would be a better person without him. But I for one also give her full credit for the things Bill did while he was in office and the Clinton Administration was not as glorious as people make it out to be. The fact that the woman was obviously complacent in the shit that happened while her husband was in office is utterly disgusting. MANY people REMEMBER and that is why she is hated. Her gender has very little to do with the shady person she seems to be. So, if she wants to take credit for her years of experience in the White House, she can take the shit that comes with it. People shit on Bill for the same exact reasons but I don't here him crying sexism. Quote: |
He brings the PROMISE of those things, and although I can really relate to anyone who craves that, I think it's unrealistic.
| EVERY politician brings promises and we all know that they can not keep them all. Mainly because you have to work with others and convince them of your ideas. The issue now becomes, who will better convince people? And one of Obama's main promises was to change how things worked in Washington starting with who has control, i.e. NOT lobbyists or special interest groups. That is something that Hillary will never change because she is happily apart of it. Some people have a problem with it and are happy to find the one viable candidate that said he wouldn't do it. Will he fail? I have no idea, but he has convinced me to let him try. I already know what Hillary will do because she has already been there. So, my choices are: someone that hasn't fucked me over yet and promises not to and someone that promised not to fuck me over, but did, and is now promising not to fuck me over again. I mean, it's like a bad relationship or some such shit. I don't have battered woman syndrome. Quote: |
See above...8 years as *at least* Presidential advisor, plus 7 solid years on the the US Senate.
| So she is taking credit for the shitty things Bill did. Gotcha.
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02-20-2008, 10:09 PM
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| | Can we say goodbye to McCain now? Marc Ambinder (February 20, 2008) - McCain/Lobbyist Story In The New York Times Finally Drops
Speaking of newspapers sitting on stories, I can't wait to see what else comes out. 
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02-20-2008, 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by vegyrex As president of the United States she as a women can make an issue of women's rights when dealing with other countries. | Is that one of the things she worked on as First Lady?
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02-20-2008, 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by fen99us The only experience that Hillary has that the public can look to is her legislative experience. Obama has more of it, that simple. I said before, let me see her records as First Lady. Oh wait, her community service shit? Obama has that too. I mean seriously, tell me what her experience is, I am dying to know. The problem isn't that people attack Hillary's experience, its the 35 years she keeps quoting that no one can seem to find. It's the fact that in a lame attempt to support her, people claim that Obama has no experience. Meanwhile, if you just looked the man up you'd see his voting record, how many bills he wrote (over 800), how many he co-sponsored (over 1000) and how many significant laws he helped to pass, namely:
-The Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006
-The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act
-The 2007 Government Ethics Bill | Maybe Obama should send you on Hardball w/ Chris Matthews next time. You know about his accomplishments better than the guy they sent. |
02-20-2008, 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by vegyrex Maybe Obama should send you on Hardball w/ Chris Matthews next time. You know about his accomplishments better than the guy they sent. | Yeah really! Wtf??? That was fucking pathetic...and really fucking hilarious!! They need to put a sock in that guy quick.
Thanks for the links, I'll read them at work tomorrow.
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02-20-2008, 11:57 PM
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| | | Great Obama article
In the March 2008 Vanity Fair. I recommend reading it. This "young" candidate has accomplished a lot in his lifetime, and it sounds like everyone who knows him adores him.
I haven't been able to read any responses to my prior in the past two days.... but I will eventually, chronologically. I'm curious to see how all the Hillary haters responded. Hopefully I'll find that y'all behaved yourselves  if not, the gloves might come off! |
02-21-2008, 04:12 AM
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| | | << As president of the United States she as a women can make an issue of women's rights when dealing with other countries. It would also be seen as a symbol that a woman can be a leader of a big powerful country.>>
I don't see why a man can't do that either? Or his wife, for that matter, as Hillary did as a first lady?
And since when did Margaret Thatcher and Angela Merkel sport penises? |
02-21-2008, 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by rozalia qual
And since when did Margaret Thatcher and Angela Merkel sport penises?
| Ha ha. Naivety.
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02-21-2008, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by fen99us | I'm not following that story closely but the problem with losing Mccain would be that Huckabee would be next in line I think. I don't want that extreme religious nut anywhere near the white house. I don't really know if that's what you're saying though- you may just be saying that Mccain would stay the Rebulican candidate but wouldn't stand a chance in the general election. if that's the case, then good. |
02-21-2008, 11:09 AM
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| | Wouldn't it be good if McCain lost and Huckabee got the nod because he has far less chance to win than either Democrat right?
For all you Obama fans... From West Wing to the real thing | World news | The Guardian
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02-21-2008, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by rozalia qual I don't see why a man can't do that either? Or his wife, for that matter, as Hillary did as a first lady?
| Why wait for that type of man? We have the right woman, for the right job, right now. |
02-21-2008, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ava__adore Wouldn't it be good if McCain lost and Huckabee got the nod because he has far less chance to win than either Democrat right? | Never underestimate the ability of the American electorate to vote for the worst possible person.  |
02-21-2008, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by herekitty I'm not following that story closely but the problem with losing Mccain would be that Huckabee would be next in line I think. I don't want that extreme religious nut anywhere near the white house. I don't really know if that's what you're saying though- you may just be saying that Mccain would stay the Rebulican candidate but wouldn't stand a chance in the general election. if that's the case, then good. | Well, I was thinking more about the general election. I don't think Huckabee has a chance....at least...ack! Great, now I'm scared!
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02-21-2008, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ava__adore | That was weird, and sorta creepy. But then, I've never watched the show before. Altho I do find it funny that Sheen is hispanic so technically he was the first minority president but whatevs...
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02-21-2008, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by fen99us Well, I was thinking more about the general election. I don't think Huckabee has a chance....at least...ack! Great, now I'm scared! | We agree on something!
Well that and I think I've consigned myself to the fact that Obama will win the Democrat nomination. As I've made clear I'd prefer Hillary. I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed if Obama gets in (the old adage here that power corrupts), and even if he is genuine with his hope for change and real belief in cleaning up politics, the Clinton's also had grand dreams when they entered the White House which they just couldn't get put through the murky world of politics. Making, acting, and working on changing the negative and disillusionment in politics will be a lot harder than simplying hoping for it.
All of that said, I can imagine if I were an American right now I'd be more concerned with getting behind Obama and looking at how he can beat McCain to get the Democrats back in office.
And Vegyrex, thanks, you gave me a much needed laughter break from work  | |
