Obama or Clinton? - Page 31

dirtyplotte · #**151** 01-30-2008, 06:50 AM

i thought this was a pretty good article

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/18/opinion/18brooks.html

fen99us · #**152** 01-30-2008, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by dirtyplotte

i thought this was a pretty good article

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/18/opinion/18brooks.html

it was good. and dammit why can't i rep you anymore?!?!

fen99us · #**153** 01-30-2008, 11:56 AM

I thought of WildWoman when I read this one, I think you would agree with the comments a woman made toward the end:

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In her Internet blogs she makes no secret of her contempt for an older generation she says has passed on an insecure world and abandoned its ideals to cling on to power.

"Our time to lead has come," she wrote in one posting.

"Clinton's fundamental misunderstanding is this: Gen X voters are not going to carry the baggage of Boomers going forward. We are grateful for our freedom but time marches on," she added.

full article:
AFP: For Clinton v Obama, read baby boomers v 'Generation X'

fen99us · #**154** 01-30-2008, 01:28 PM

Found in the Hitchens book:

From Robert Reich:

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When, during his 1992 presidential campaign, Bill Clinton vowed to “end welfare as we know it” by moving people “from welfare to work,” he presumbably did not have in mind the legislation that he signed into law in August 1996. The original idea had been to smooth the passage from welfare to work with guaranteed health care, child care, job training and a job paying enough to live on. The 1996 legislation contained none of these supports--no health care or child care for people coming off welfare, no job training, no assurance of a job at any wage. In effect, what was dubbed welfare “reform” merely ended the promise of help to indigent and their children which Franklin D. Roosevelt had initiated more than sixty years before.

From David Frum:

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Since 1994, Clinton has offered the Democratic party a devilish bargain: Accept and defend policies you hate (welfare reform, the Defense of Marriage Act), condone and excuse crimes (perjury, campaign finance abuses) and I’ll deliver you the executive branch of government…Again since 1994, Clinton has survived and even thrived by deftly balancing between right and left. He has assuaged the Left by continually proposing bold new programs--the expansion of Medicare to 55 year-olds, a national day-care program, the reversal of welfare reform, the hooking up to the Internet of every classroom, and now the socialization of the means of production via Social Security. And he has placated the Right by dropping every one of these programs as soon as he proposes it. Clinton makes speeches, Rubin and Greenspan make policy; the Left get words, the Right gets deeds; and everybody is content.

bodah · #**155** 01-30-2008, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dirtyplotte

i thought this was a pretty good article

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/18/opinion/18brooks.html

Indeed, it provides thoughtful, persuasive argument. Thanks for posting it.