just a general warning, alot of the presidential quizzes are VERY biased and sortof insane.

if you want a legit, in depth quiz, i suggest the Washington Post quiz. it's pretty objective. (and READ the "more info" or "full statement" whatever it says. don't just read the one or two line bits)

Choose Your Candidate (washingtonpost.com)

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Even in this quiz Hillary is my top choice.

Hillary 51 points
Edwards 40 points
Obama 18 points

I honestly don't know enough about her business connections to understand what the "shady" side of things was/is. I know there was that whole WhiteWater thing back in the '90s.

The Bush family has ties to the Suadis, oil, etc., but I'm not sure where you're drawing your comparisons here. In her 8-years as a New York Senator, how exactly has she "taken care of herself and those in her circle and not this country"? How did Bill Clinton do this during his 8 years as President?

(Not being snarky here, I just haven't heard anything like that. If it is true, I'd have to reconsider my support for her).

And if it's her high campaign contributions that have you worried, Obama isn't that far behind (he's second overall for all Democratic and Republican candidates).

well this is a right wing conservative site so it's obviously biased, but i'd be interested in having these facts proven inaccurate....

WorldNetDaily: Hillary's brothers

here's one where Hillary denies knowledge about the hazelnut deal...

Hillary's brothers, two furious presidents and a hazelnut deal in the land of the Golden Fleece - Americas, World - Independent.co.uk

Yes, there was the Whitewater scandal but there were other incidents where conflict of interest was an issue, such as when her husband was governor and she was a partner at Rose Law Firm. I mean, I know there are coincidences, but how many times can there look like a conflict of interest but there not actually be one?

And let me clarify, my comparison to Bush (thus far) is that I think she will surround herself with her cronies and help out her cronies in any way possible, whether its beneficial to this country or not. I mean, she has to pay off those powerful Clinton connections somehow. But maybe she'll get the chance to prove me wrong.

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"How wrong it is for a woman to expect the man to build the world she wants, rather than to create it herself."

"I postpone death by living, by suffering, by error, by risking, by giving, by losing."

"I will not be just a tourist in the world of images, just watching images passing by which I cannot live in, make love to, possess as permanent sources of joy and ecstasy. "

-from the goddess that is Anaïs Nin

Edwards 46
Clinton 38
Obama 35

But that's the real problem. That's why when people go on and on about how they agree with everything a certain candidate is saying, and are only going by their words and not anything else, I worry. Because obviously people will say whatever to win. Just like people will sling the mud to win. After all, they can worry about it after they win. The problem is, after they win, if they aren't a person of integrity, they will back out of damn near every fucking position they had on the issues. I never look at the issues only, it's stupid to only trust a person's word in politics.

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"How wrong it is for a woman to expect the man to build the world she wants, rather than to create it herself."

"I postpone death by living, by suffering, by error, by risking, by giving, by losing."

"I will not be just a tourist in the world of images, just watching images passing by which I cannot live in, make love to, possess as permanent sources of joy and ecstasy. "

-from the goddess that is Anaïs Nin

Excellent post ... I'd like to ask these so-called left-leaning voters here why Hillary's deep corporate ties don't bother them. What about Walmart, a retailer underfire for their labor and healthcare polices. She was paid to be on the Walmart board, and paid for every meeting. By 1993 she had accumulated $100,000 in Walmart stock. Yet the policies of Walmart while she was there did not change ...

Her supporters airbrush this out, they got an image of Hillary they follow which isn't reality.

Walmart, under fire for it's labor and healthcare policies. Yet Hillary was on their board for SIX YEARS. When Barack mentioned Walmart in the debates, Hillary made a face, but she don't touch it ... oh no ... the subject is a delicate one indeed ...

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Clinton served on Wal-Mart's board of directors for six years when her husband was governor of Arkansas. And the Rose Law Firm, where she was a partner, handled many of the Arkansas-based company's legal affairs.

Hillary Clinton had kind words for Wal-Mart as recently as 2004, when she told an audience at the convention of the National Retail Federation that her time on the board ''was a great experience in every respect."

But in recent months, as the company has become a target for Democratic activists, she has largely steered clear of any mention of Wal-Mart. And late last year, Clinton's reelection campaign returned a $5,000 contribution from Wal-Mart, citing ''serious differences with current company practices."

Thx .....

Those articles are nearly eight years old. That worldnetdaily one is clearly trying to raise up a storm in an attempt to derail Hillary's first Senate run in 2000. It also seems to have failed. Since those articles were written Hillary not only won her first Senate bid but she also won reelection. I think the only people who are bothered by this are Hillary haters.


What politician doesn't do this?

At election time all politicians become Santa Clause. They promise you all sorts of things. Sometimes they deliver, many times they don't.

So far every criticism of Hillary you're posted is accusing her of being...a politician.

Ron Paul

Oh, ok, I'll give you that. At least he makes it well known what kind of president he'd be. Anti gay, anti abortion, anti environment, anti separation of church and state.

What you see is what you get.

Oh, okies, it's 8 years old. Feel free to ignore you guys! Seriously, you don't think a person's past actions has anything to do with their present or future? lol

And no shit, yes, she's a politician and I expect her to act like all the others which is why I'm not sure why I should be so in awe of her because she has a fucking vagina. Thanks for proving my point.

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"How wrong it is for a woman to expect the man to build the world she wants, rather than to create it herself."

"I postpone death by living, by suffering, by error, by risking, by giving, by losing."

"I will not be just a tourist in the world of images, just watching images passing by which I cannot live in, make love to, possess as permanent sources of joy and ecstasy. "

-from the goddess that is Anaïs Nin

I took the test again (because there's no way to save answers), rating the highest issues (Education=4 points, Civil Liberties= 4 points, Environment/Energy=3 points) and it switched to Hillary...

By the way, I read an interesting opinion piece in Time Magazine the other day, about the Republican answer to health care. It was a real eyeopener for me, and one that I agree with, interestingly enough, because it is moer progressive.

I've always had a problem with the fact that payment for healthcare is typically employer-based; meaning, most Americans who have a job and healthcare have healthcare premiums paid by their employer. This way, the premiums for their health insurance are taken out BEFORE taxes (or they are in part employer-sponsored). What is wrong with this picture is that people who are employed and DON'T have healthcare have to pay their premiums out-of-pocket using posttax dollars! Not to mention the unemployed who just have to somehow come up with the money.

This is so wrong! #1 Healthcare should not be taxed at all. People should be able to deduct ALL of their healthcare expenses (even gym memberships, IMO) from their taxes.

The Democrat healthcare reform proposals all have to do with employer-sponsored health care, which is the same system that has not been working for many, many years. Democrats have yet to propose a health bill that would keep healthcare from being taxed.

Now typically, as a Democrat I believe in paying taxes for education and taking care of public problems. I am all for sin taxes such as gasoline, cigarette, luxury items, and alcohol taxes, to reduce the consumption of unnecessary or unhealthy stuff. ( I love to drink wine, but taxing wine isn't the same as taxing vegetables, you know?) Taxing people on health care is wrong.

a lot of them are. but in the case of the quiz I posted, i voted the opposite on a lot of issues (for example, putting crime & punishment @ a high priority and then voting in favor of the death penalty; also against abortion, etc.), and it came up with all repugnican matches. I'm not really sure how something can be biased. I tried voting different ways on different subjects, and came up with different candidates. maybe you could be more specific on how you think the glass both one is so biased.

Wait, now that you mention this. Are you sure you can't claim your health premiums on your taxes at the end of the year as a deduction? If so, I fucked myself for years!

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"How wrong it is for a woman to expect the man to build the world she wants, rather than to create it herself."

"I postpone death by living, by suffering, by error, by risking, by giving, by losing."

"I will not be just a tourist in the world of images, just watching images passing by which I cannot live in, make love to, possess as permanent sources of joy and ecstasy. "

-from the goddess that is Anaïs Nin

A persons past is only relevent if they're still being fuck ups. Example: Ron Paul has always been a right wing nut.

Will you hold it against Obama for voting to strip child welfare funding while he was state senator? He claimed he pressed the wrong button. But he pressed the wrong button six times on important votes.

Then you shouldn't be in awe of Obama or even Edwards because they're no less a politician than Hillary.

I'm not in awe of any candidate. So there you go.

And Hillary, with all that extra "experience" has been pushing "the wrong button" for decades. It's a little hard to ignore the type of person she is.

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"How wrong it is for a woman to expect the man to build the world she wants, rather than to create it herself."

"I postpone death by living, by suffering, by error, by risking, by giving, by losing."

"I will not be just a tourist in the world of images, just watching images passing by which I cannot live in, make love to, possess as permanent sources of joy and ecstasy. "

-from the goddess that is Anaïs Nin