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Old 01-28-2008, 04:52 PM
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My bf has followed politics his entire life. He's borderline obsessive and has an extraordinary amount of knowledge. He listens to facts more than anything so he's actually not registered as a Dem or Rep. Not that it will help you trust his opinion, but I know the man, and I truly believe he knows his shit. He says that the Repubs WANT Hillary to win because she will be very easy to destroy. It's not hard to see how easy it would be for them.

Obama, on the other hand, would actually pose a challenge. So I really don't think the Repubs would sink the Clintons this early on. I think they are dying for the day they can completely destroy them and this will happen if she gets the nom.
i dont know what to think of this. both have achilles heels that i think of as strengths (except for hillary and her snake ways which is why most repubs hate her, but the women thing can be used very effectively against her in the big election.)

i dont know which is weaker. which the repubs would find to be an easier opponent. despite clinton having such a hate following, i think that obama might be easier prey for the big campaign. and i think they would love it more, if hillary were shot down before she even got into the game.

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Old 01-28-2008, 05:00 PM
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Yeah but they want to destroy the Clinton legacy and it would be best if she were the nom to do it.
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I'd like to believe the Clintons are better than that. Who knows. I've always respected her more than him (going back to the '93 Hillarycare campaign).

I do hope Obama can win it for the Democrats, because it looks like he's going to be the one. Maybe if he had a really experienced/seasoned VP runningmate it would bolster him against all the "inexperience" criticisms. I was reading an article that suggested that McCain could potentially be a Democratic (?) runningmate if he didn't win the Republican nomination. Wasn't he asked by Kerry back in 2004?

Going back to the "Muslim" thing though...it makes me think that if Obama actually did have some sort of Muslim past, his US political career would be over.
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Old 01-28-2008, 05:09 PM
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i use my htinking cap when it comes to these situations bodah, because the truth almost never gets tot he papers.
well i use mine too, and i think most journalists make an effort to use trustworthy sources, and absent that, they refrain from printing the story.

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so if you were the republican party, wouldnt you want to get rid of clinton if she were the big problem? i mean wouldnt you attack CLINTON instead of attacking obama and hoping that clinton suffers because of it? that seems too silly to me.

if im fighting im going to use the most effective menas of winning. if i were a republican and were going to smear obama, i would save it for when he was my opposition, especially if i werent concerned with him... if i saw him as not that big of a fish as compared to clinton.

no, this was either because the repubs are worried about obama (unlikely) or clinton was worried about obama (likely)
i don't agree... if they try to discredit obama and use the clinton campaign to do so, they remove themselves from the picture. it's actually brilliant because all along, obama has had charisma and clinton has had the money. last year, when the rumors first started, there was no clear democratic frontrunner, but on the other hand you have two democrats with different strengths ... and back in January 2007, there were only lame prospects for Republicans. I can completely see using fear-- the usual MO fro Republicans -- to start a rumor ala Rove about the charismatic young hopeful from Illinois, and then blaming the Clintons for all nastiness.

Remember, what matters in campaign politics are not so much diehard party voters who vote the platform of their party, but independent and swing voters. These are also the people who will be turned off the most from smear campaigns. These people are the targets of Republican attention all the way until election time.

This smear campaign does more damage to the democratic party than it does to individual candidates.

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If this is coming from the Republicans, it would be a smart way to "smear" them both at the same time
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