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Old 01-28-2008, 03:32 PM
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they are both rather beastly; those clintons

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This is from Canada's most right-wing newspaper, but sort of eye-opening:

Bill Clinton strikes out Hillary - Diane Francis
You know, when I read stuff like this I wonder if it's another "right-wing" conspiracy designed to sink the Clintons.

On the one hand, the Clintons are probably capable of doing such a thing. On the other hand, so are the Repugnicans. They WANT to sink Hillary because as of December, she was the powerhouse to defeat. For example, if McCain is the chosen candidate for the Repugs, he could probably more easily defeat Obama based on experience: Senate tenure plus Vietnam veteran = easier victory than the political powerhouse of the two Clintons.

I'm not saying that's the way it is... I'm just saying that if I don't trust the Clintons, I trust the dirty tactics of Repugnicans even LESS. They want the Democratic nominee to be BEATABLE. It would not surprise me at all if 4 months down the road, it's discovered that some neocon Repugnicans had infiltrated the Clinton campaign and planned all this to discredit Clinton.

If some Democrats hate HRC, then I can guarantee you that Repugnicans hate her even worse. I'm just saying, remain skeptical of all rumors.

I realize that this source is a Canadian newspaper. Most of the US sources for the story about the "Clinton smear campaign" on Obama are ones I am not personally familiar with.

Here's one mainstream source that mentions the rumors but does not directly relate the Muslim rumors to the Clinton campaign. It addresses mischaracterizations in general but does not at all accuse the Clintons of that particular smear. This tells me that there has been no confirmation that the rumors originated with the Clinton campaign. ABC News: Obama Takes on Question of Faith

By the way, it did not seem to hurt Obama in SC.

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Old 01-28-2008, 04:42 PM
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Obama, on the other hand, would actually pose a challenge. So I really don't think the Repubs would sink the Clintons this early on. I think they are dying for the day they can completely destroy them and this will happen if she gets the nom.
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i use my htinking cap when it comes to these situations bodah, because the truth almost never gets tot he papers.

so if you were the republican party, wouldnt you want to get rid of clinton if she were the big problem? i mean wouldnt you attack CLINTON instead of attacking obama and hoping that clinton suffers because of it? that seems too silly to me.

if im fighting im going to use the most effective menas of winning. if i were a republican and were going to smear obama, i would save it for when he was my opposition, especially if i werent concerned with him... if i saw him as not that big of a fish as compared to clinton.

no, this was either because the repubs are worried about obama (unlikely) or clinton was worried about obama (likely)
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Old 01-28-2008, 04:51 PM
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Consider the source.

Dirtyplotte, the source of the story that you gave Insight is right-wing & connected to The Washington Times, which is biased toward the Republican philosophies. With the evidence seen so far, I think the bickering originated with a Republican-induced smear campaign designed to discredit both Clinton and Obama. Historically this has been a Karl Rove tactic. Are you aware of the smear campaign against McCain in South Carolina pre-2000 election? Rumors spread like wildfire. This article is from 2004, so it took 5 years before it had been dissected and discussed by The Boston Globe: The anatomy of a smear campaign - The Boston Globe. By then, it was too late... and America has 8 awful years of Bush to show for it. We would have been better off with Gore for sure, but I don't think McCain would've inflicted near the amount of damage that the Bush admin has inflicted on us!

See this too, available from the Obama campaign: Barack Obama | Change We Can Believe In |

It discusses smears... notice how the first reports were courtesy of Insight and none other than the notorious FOX NEWS.....

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