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You forgot Edwards, who is still a viable candidate. Shame on you for following the corporate media's narrative on the race.

Anyways, my support now goes Edwards, then Obama, and then Clinton.

Before Kucinich dropped out, I supported him, because he was the closest to me on the issues.
word.

i too support Edwards, but will vote for whoever takes him along as a running mate in the general election (which i think will be Clinton).
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the thing that terrifies me most is that there are like... 15 u.s. states full of drunken homophobic rednecks who would never see a "stupid woman" or a "dirty nigger" (however white obama may be on the inside) in the white house.

i think the only way obama or hillary could win is if condi rice was the republican candidate.

i'm getting ready for 4 more years of republican domination.
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well, thank you for saying what everyone else was already thinking.

[note to tards: this does NOT mean that i feel obama or clinton are defined by the terms listed above, i do not. but, i, and other sensible Americans are aware that a sizeable portion of the population does feel this way towards minorities and women)
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the thing that terrifies me most is that there are like... 15 u.s. states full of drunken homophobic rednecks who would never see a "stupid woman" or a "dirty nigger" (however white obama may be on the inside) in the white house..
Do you even realise how stereotypical you sound when you say that. Lol, people that ignorant wouldn't vote anyway.
Most Republicans have no problem with women....the ones that hate Hillary are the exact one that hated Bill too, and don't want a repeat of the same, their problems with her are nothing to do with gender. As you mentioned yourself about Condi, she was actually asked to be a candidate but she declined and she's both black and a woman, if gender and race were that big a problem for Reps she would have never been suggested.

As for Obama, Ive got a similar story here, but lets put it this way, aside from the lack of experience and what they percieve as total rhetoric without substance, they are more concerned about the fact he wouldn't put his hand over his heart during the national anthem in public probably because his loopy fundi church back home pledges its allegence to the continent of Africa
And you know how much Republicans like stars and stripes on their bunting, so naturally, we are going to have problems there....

Anyway..........."GO EDWARDS," (I also think Hilary is better than sleepy-eyed Bill), I won't cry too much if the democrats don't win if the fact the winner is NOT Huckabee or Romney in the bargain.

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Talking Canadian politics are so boring in comparison

Not a morning person, so I took more time to read and consider and get re-tested:

Dennis Kucinich: 84%
John Edwards: 83%
Mike Gravel: 80%
Christopher Dodd: 81%
Barack Obama: 79%
Hillary Clinton: 78%
Bill Richardson: 75%
Joe Biden: 75%
Rudy Guliani: 46%
Mitt Romney: 46%
John McCain: 45%
Ron Paul: 45%
Mike Huckabee: 41%
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Do you even realise how stereotypical you sound when you say that. Lol, people that ignorant wouldn't vote anyway.
Most Republicans have no problem with women....the ones that hate Hillary are the exact one that hated Bill too, and don't want a repeat of the same, their problems with her are nothing to do with gender. As you mentioned yourself about Condi, she was actually asked to be a candidate but she declined and she's both black and a woman, if gender and race were that big a problem for Reps she would have never been suggested.
Sounding "stereotypical" was the point though. How much time have you spent in America? Because "lol," people that ignorant DO vote. If you don't believe me, just ask Al Gore.
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The bickering is unfortunate, because it reduces the chance of them ever being running-mates. I like them both, but if I had to choose (not that I can being Canadian), it would be Hillary. (Actually, as a Canadian, I should probably be hoping the Republicans win as many of their economic policies are more favourable for us.)

However, in the grand scheme of things, I do think the Democrats need to win this one. I guess Obama is probably more likely to get votes of independents and swing-voters. Too bad about the Hillary hate...I agree that much of it is sexism, although I do think there are people who legitimately hate her for other reasons. If "power-hungry" is one of them though, I'd like to ask them how any other cadiditate for the President of the USA is any less hungry?
It's not the power hungry. It's her corporate connections and the shady business practices of her and her family. It's the fear that with even more power she will continue to only take care of herself and those in her circle and not this country. To me she is the female Bush.
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Do you even realise how stereotypical you sound when you say that. Lol, people that ignorant wouldn't vote anyway.
Most Republicans have no problem with women....the ones that hate Hillary are the exact one that hated Bill too, and don't want a repeat of the same, their problems with her are nothing to do with gender. .
While I do think that post was stereotypical, as well as classist (unless the poster is from a poor rural background, in which case it’s not really mine to say), I don’t really know what Republican Party you might be talking about. By their platform, and their rhetoric, they do have big problems with women. While there are plenty of reasons for people of all political persuasions to dislike the Clintons, the specific right-wing anti-Clinton ‘base’ very much does dislike them on gender issues. These are the people who repeatedly called Corporate Lawyer Hillary a ‘radical feminist,’ entirely seriously (and, lest I be unclear, as an insult of the highest order), and were ready to crucify her for attempting to use her birth name professionally.

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It’s called tokenism. See also ‘Why, some of my best friends are black!’ as well as Stephen Colbert's awesome 'The Republicans value their minorities, and make use of every part,' rant from the Daily Show during the 2004 convention.
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Sounding "stereotypical" was the point though. How much time have you spent in America? Because "lol," people that ignorant DO vote. If you don't believe me, just ask Al Gore.
I don't know what Mr. Gore has said but perhaps "prejudiced" or "biased" people rather than ignorant would have been better words? Ignorant people just generally don't know what's going on and don't really care either.
When all your in-laws and their friends are republican rednecks, you actually get to talk to these people you'd normally avoid. Naturally I don't agree with some of the core stuff but I was surprised in a good way in other areas.
I'm not disputing the fact there are the ones that accuse Hillary of being a "radical feminist" pejoratively but it was more my point that not all voters that will go rep are the cookie cutter ideas that the stereotypes perpetuate.

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Sounding "stereotypical" was the point though. How much time have you spent in America? Because "lol," people that ignorant DO vote. If you don't believe me, just ask Al Gore.

Much like ignorant statements like having invented the internet...
But speaking of those types of places, have you ever driven through Al's 'hometown?' I have.
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It’s called tokenism. See also ‘Why, some of my best friends are black!’ as well as Stephen Colbert's awesome 'The Republicans value their minorities, and make use of every part,' rant from the Daily Show during the 2004 convention.
I agree, but had she agreed, I think she would have done well with the Bush supporters, perhaps not win (that's being too optimistic for Republicans!!) but still surprise us all. Lets just hope America will surprise us all come Novemeber too.

Edit; In politics, I'm sure everyone plays dirty a little bit for every vote they can get, whether its appealing to minorities or Obama and Hillary backbiting each other. It's all one big dirty game.

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I I'm not disputing the fact there are the ones that accuse Hillary of being a "radical feminist" pejoratively but it was more my point that not all voters that will go rep are the cookie cutter ideas that the stereotypes perpetuate.
I don't think that either, but I do think they are anti-woman as a party, which is why I specifically mentioned platform and rhetoric. I didn't say that I don't think everyone who votes republican thinks like that, and I should have.
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Much like ignorant statements like having invented the internet...
But speaking of those types of places, have you ever driven through Al's 'hometown?' I have.
Gore never said he invented the internet. He said "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system."

Even two of the main scientists who did "invent" the internet give Gore a lot of credit.

"No one person or even small group of persons exclusively "invented" the Internet. It is the result of many years of ongoing collaboration among people in government and the university community. But as the two people who designed the basic architecture and the core protocols that make the Internet work, we would like to acknowledge VP Gore's contributions as a Congressman, Senator and as Vice President. No other elected official, to our knowledge, has made a greater contribution over a longer period of time."

Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf

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To me she is the female Bush.
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Edit; In politics, I'm sure everyone plays dirty a little bit for every vote they can get, whether its appealing to minorities or Obama and Hillary backbiting each other. It's all one big dirty game.
A political scientists here calls it "yo mama" politics.

Everything is fair game.
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A political scientists here calls it "yo mama" politics.

Everything is fair game.
It's like they say: If pro is the opposite of con then the opposite of congress is...



While it may be fair game, it certainly leaves a bad taste in voters mouths. If you lack professionalism in campaigning and result to schoolyard tactics, it leaves voters to wonder just how you'll act when the heavy decisions need addressed.
Having heard many a story on how Hillary used to launch glass ashtrays at Secret Service agents heads when upset at the time when Billy was in office is quite telling.

I've been watching empty promises given all day on C-SPAN. Along with the always famous, "We need to raise minimum wage" banter.
When will they get that any and all businesses that pay that rate just raise prices to offset the pay increases. That or they just cut back the number of positions at said business and add extra workload to the employees they do keep. It gets you nowhere fast.
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