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Old 02-19-2008, 05:00 PM
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i also don't understand how women's rights on a global level are relevant in a UNITED STATES election? it's awful the way some countries treat their women, but this is the US, where violent racism still exists within our borders and men who beat women are socially demonized and can expect jail time for it.

just two weeks ago in my city a white kid drove through a black neighborhood and shot people from his car, openly stating that he hates black people. fuck.
And just a couple weeks ago, a black man murdered five women (would have been six if he was a better shot) in a Lane Bryant store outside Chicago. I'm sure he just happened on a woman's clothing store and didn't target it on a Saturday morning just after business opened.

Thousands and thousands of American women are raped every year. Sexism is dead because you perceive wife beaters to be "socially demonized"?? I would ask, why do we live in a culture where violence against women continues to be such a fixture of social relations?
Domestic violence is an epidemic, and it's usually perpetrated on women. Just because it is illegal doesn't mean it isn't continuous and that we aren't desensitized to it.
The base logic behind racism and sexism is ultimately the same, even if they are manifest in different ways in society. Both have been factors in this campaign and sexism is, as usual, the one that is most easily explained away and denied. By women as well as men, of course. Surprise!

Following your argument, why should the U.S. care about any ethnic conflicts in other countries? Weren't you just expressing your dismay about the conflicts between Serbs and other ethnic groups? I mean, why should we give a fuck here, then? Should foreign policy and international relations have nothing to do with lived human experience, and instead focus solely on "national security" and economic considerations, as realists suggest?

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"Oh by the way, Did Michelle Obama just give Karl Rove and the republicans some ammo to use against Barack in November?"

No. She gave the Clinton machine ammo to use against him right now.

Clear?
Hahahahaha!!!

I know whats clear.

Apparently you don't.
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I don't expect Obama to write all of his speeches or all of them alone. I don't know of any politician that does. It doesn't undermine him as an orator. The idea to use those lines was extremely appropriate, however, it should have been credited. What I don't get is that since it wasn't word for word copying (the idea was copied and no politician is guiltless of that), and it was from a good friend of his, how is it such a big deal? How is that considered worse than stealing from your opponent?


Again, ask Joe Biden.
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Old 02-19-2008, 05:22 PM
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And just a couple weeks ago, a black man murdered five women (would have been six if he was a better shot) in a Lane Bryant store outside Chicago. I'm sure he just happened on a woman's clothing store and didn't target it on a Saturday morning just after business opened.

Thousands and thousands of American women are raped every year. Sexism is dead because you perceive wife beaters to be "socially demonized"?? I would ask, why do we live in a culture where violence against women continues to be such a fixture of social relations?
Domestic violence is an epidemic, and it's usually perpetrated on women. Just because it is illegal doesn't mean it isn't continuous and that we aren't desensitized to it.
The base logic behind racism and sexism is ultimately the same, even if they are manifest in different ways in society. Both have been factors in this campaign and sexism is, as usual, the one that is most easily explained away and denied. By women as well as men, of course. Surprise!

Following your argument, why should the U.S. care about any ethnic conflicts in other countries? Weren't you just expressing your dismay about the conflicts between Serbs and other ethnic groups? I mean, why should we give a fuck here, then? Should foreign policy and international relations have nothing to do with lived human experience, and instead focus solely on "national security" and economic considerations, as realists suggest?

men kill women and women kill men. women arent punished more severely for killing anyone. blacks are.

you dont hear about women being randomly picked up and dragged across the countryside behind a truck specifically because they are a woman.

women are not segregated into marginal communities and blamed for their historic poverty. women were not shoved into cargo space by the tens of thousands with a percentage of deaths calculated intot eh cost of shipping them and then sold to families to be beaten and murdered upon a whim.. at least not WHITE women, and it wasnt because of their gender that black women were sold.

women are not avoided in stairwells, or thought of as shiftless and lazy by the majority of white america.

men are raped. or are you not counting that? it happens less often TBS because less men are sexually charged by other men, but it is not because women are WOMEN that they get raped, it is because of the sexual nature of men. and men are persecuted for it.

women are murdered by people they know for the most part. black men are randomly shot as a matter of course.

please dont compare. its absurd.
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Again, ask Joe Biden.
I guess you can't answer the question. Biden doesn't apply here, unless Obama plagerized a law review article. Again, what Obama did was not worse than stealing from your opponent.
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