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02-19-2008, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by vegyrex  However, Obama's claim to fame at the moment is his use of words in his speeches. If Hillary uses phrases Obama has used EVERYBODY knows where its came from. Obama got caught lifting a two year old speech by another politician almost word for word. The same thing happened to Joe Biden back in the 80's. He lifted a speech almost word for word from a British politician. That gaff cost him because his campaign went down the drain after that. Obama is likely to survive this but I hope it at least takes some of the sheen off of him with the media. Their love affair with him is not only unfair to Hillary but if he gets the nom and then the republicans come along and throw everything they got at him and if anything sticks the reporters who adore him now will smell blood and be out to get him. | Unless I'm reading the wrong articles or they haven't posted all of what he borrowed, it seems he didn't take anything word for word, just an idea. Obama, and his friend of 15 years, were attacked in the same exact manner, being told they were all words. So he used the same idea and gave out great quotes to point out, it's not just words. I believe he quoted the same people, but didn't even use the same quotes. I agree, he should have given credit, but if it's just the little bit that I've read, I really don't see the big deal. Nor do I see how it compares with an opponent attempting to steal your campaign thunder by adopting your words. Quote:
Originally Posted by bodah "Reducing"? Isn't it a fact? | To say his experience amounts to just 3 years of federal without acknowledging his 8 years in the state senate seems a little disingenuous.
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02-19-2008, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by bodah maybe you are not going back far enough. salem witch trials. medieval burnings of witches. these things happened to women regularly but were not considered newsorthy because if women outlived their value (sex/procreation), they were disposed of. likewise chinese babies and girls were often killed or sold into slavery.
| I think women in western countries take things for granted. Whatever you think women have to go through here, its much worse in non western countries. Woman who are beaten in Saudi Arabia have very little recourse. Police there don't really consider it a crime. Imams in that country can be seen on TV giving advice on how to beat your wife properly. In the US a women that is beaten can expect some intervention by law enforcement. |
02-19-2008, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by fen99us Unless I'm reading the wrong articles or they haven't posted all of what he borrowed, it seems he didn't take anything word for word, just an idea. Obama, and his friend of 15 years, were attacked in the same exact manner, being told they were all words. So he used the same idea and gave out great quotes to point out, it's not just words. I believe he quoted the same people, but didn't even use the same quotes. I agree, he should have given credit, but if it's just the little bit that I've read, I really don't see the big deal. Nor do I see how it compares with an opponent attempting to steal your campaign thunder by adopting your words. | You don't see the difference? Obama is passing himself of as a master orator, inspiring the masses with his speeches. Now it turns out at least one of his speeches wasn't all that original.
Oh by the way, Did Michelle Obama just give Karl Rove and the republicans some ammo to use against Barack in November? Quote:
CNN) — Tuesday morning seemed to bring the debut of yet another McCain-Obama flap – this time, Cindy McCain and Michelle Obama.
As she introduced her husband John McCain, the likely Republican nominee, at a campaign event, Cindy McCain told the crowd I “am proud of my country. I don’t know about you, if you heard those words earlier — I am very proud of my country.”
The comment seemed to be a response to a remark from Michelle Obama the day before. On Monday, the wife of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama told a Wisconsin audience that “For the first time in my adult life, I am really proud of my country, because it feels like hope is making a comeback… not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change."
After Tuesday’s event, the McCains were asked if the Arizona senator’s wife had been responding to that comment. Cindy McCain did not directly answer the question, responding: “I just wanted to make the statement that I have and always will be proud of my country.”
On Monday, Obama spokesman Bill Burton released a statement in response to the controversy: “Of course Michelle is proud of her country, which is why she and Barack talk constantly about how their story wouldn't be possible in any other nation on Earth.
“What she meant is that she's really proud at this moment because for the first time in a long time, thousands of Americans who've never participated in politics before are coming out in record numbers to build a grassroots movement for change.”
CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - Cindy McCain, Michelle Obama in patriotism flap « - Blogs from CNN.com | |
02-19-2008, 03:07 PM
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| | | "Oh by the way, Did Michelle Obama just give Karl Rove and the republicans some ammo to use against Barack in November?"
No. She gave the Clinton machine ammo to use against him right now.
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02-19-2008, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by vegyrex You don't see the difference? Obama is passing himself of as a master orator, inspiring the masses with his speeches. Now it turns out at least one of his speeches wasn't all that original. | I don't expect Obama to write all of his speeches or all of them alone. I don't know of any politician that does. It doesn't undermine him as an orator. The idea to use those lines was extremely appropriate, however, it should have been credited. What I don't get is that since it wasn't word for word copying (the idea was copied and no politician is guiltless of that), and it was from a good friend of his, how is it such a big deal? How is that considered worse than stealing from your opponent?
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