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01-26-2008, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by dollpartz Ron Paul  | Oh, ok, I'll give you that. At least he makes it well known what kind of president he'd be. Anti gay, anti abortion, anti environment, anti separation of church and state.
What you see is what you get. | 
01-26-2008, 11:27 AM
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| | Oh, okies, it's 8 years old. Feel free to ignore you guys!  Seriously, you don't think a person's past actions has anything to do with their present or future? lol
And no shit, yes, she's a politician and I expect her to act like all the others which is why I'm not sure why I should be so in awe of her because she has a fucking vagina. Thanks for proving my point.
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01-26-2008, 12:05 PM
|  | stirred... rarely shaken | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Northwest
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| | | weird I took the test again (because there's no way to save answers), rating the highest issues (Education=4 points, Civil Liberties= 4 points, Environment/Energy=3 points) and it switched to Hillary...
By the way, I read an interesting opinion piece in Time Magazine the other day, about the Republican answer to health care. It was a real eyeopener for me, and one that I agree with, interestingly enough, because it is moer progressive.
I've always had a problem with the fact that payment for healthcare is typically employer-based; meaning, most Americans who have a job and healthcare have healthcare premiums paid by their employer. This way, the premiums for their health insurance are taken out BEFORE taxes (or they are in part employer-sponsored). What is wrong with this picture is that people who are employed and DON'T have healthcare have to pay their premiums out-of-pocket using posttax dollars! Not to mention the unemployed who just have to somehow come up with the money.
This is so wrong! #1 Healthcare should not be taxed at all. People should be able to deduct ALL of their healthcare expenses (even gym memberships, IMO) from their taxes.
The Democrat healthcare reform proposals all have to do with employer-sponsored health care, which is the same system that has not been working for many, many years. Democrats have yet to propose a health bill that would keep healthcare from being taxed.
Now typically, as a Democrat I believe in paying taxes for education and taking care of public problems. I am all for sin taxes such as gasoline, cigarette, luxury items, and alcohol taxes, to reduce the consumption of unnecessary or unhealthy stuff. ( I love to drink wine, but taxing wine isn't the same as taxing vegetables, you know?) Taxing people on health care is wrong. | 
01-26-2008, 12:09 PM
|  | stirred... rarely shaken | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Northwest
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Originally Posted by orchestral just a general warning, alot of the presidential quizzes are VERY biased and sortof insane.
if you want a legit, in depth quiz, i suggest the Washington Post quiz. it's pretty objective. (and READ the "more info" or "full statement" whatever it says. don't just read the one or two line bits) Choose Your Candidate (washingtonpost.com) | a lot of them are. but in the case of the quiz I posted, i voted the opposite on a lot of issues (for example, putting crime & punishment @ a high priority and then voting in favor of the death penalty; also against abortion, etc.), and it came up with all repugnican matches. I'm not really sure how something can be biased. I tried voting different ways on different subjects, and came up with different candidates. maybe you could be more specific on how you think the glass both one is so biased. | 
01-26-2008, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by bodah I took the test again (because there's no way to save answers), rating the highest issues (Education=4 points, Civil Liberties= 4 points, Environment/Energy=3 points) and it switched to Hillary...
By the way, I read an interesting opinion piece in Time Magazine the other day, about the Republican answer to health care. It was a real eyeopener for me, and one that I agree with, interestingly enough, because it is moer progressive.
I've always had a problem with the fact that payment for healthcare is typically employer-based; meaning, most Americans who have a job and healthcare have healthcare premiums paid by their employer. This way, the premiums for their health insurance are taken out BEFORE taxes (or they are in part employer-sponsored). What is wrong with this picture is that people who are employed and DON'T have healthcare have to pay their premiums out-of-pocket using posttax dollars! Not to mention the unemployed who just have to somehow come up with the money.
This is so wrong! #1 Healthcare should not be taxed at all. People should be able to deduct ALL of their healthcare expenses (even gym memberships, IMO) from their taxes.
The Democrat healthcare reform proposals all have to do with employer-sponsored health care, which is the same system that has not been working for many, many years. Democrats have yet to propose a health bill that would keep healthcare from being taxed.
Now typically, as a Democrat I believe in paying taxes for education and taking care of public problems. I am all for sin taxes such as gasoline, cigarette, luxury items, and alcohol taxes, to reduce the consumption of unnecessary or unhealthy stuff. ( I love to drink wine, but taxing wine isn't the same as taxing vegetables, you know?) Taxing people on health care is wrong. | Wait, now that you mention this. Are you sure you can't claim your health premiums on your taxes at the end of the year as a deduction? If so, I fucked myself for years!
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