oh please. as if bush gives a fuck about the lot of women anywhere, particularly brown women in other countries.

you may recall that beheadings did not become a huge problem until we invaded? I've always found it to be true that a person can't behead you if you're not in their fucking country. oh sure, the occasional immigrant to the US could behead me I suppose, but I'm more likely to die at the hands of someone I know in a domestic dispute situation.

I'm not so sure about this setting an example for the rest of the world thing. In fact I get downright tired of it, no offense to you rozalia, I think your politics are usually right on. but regardless of how anyone feels about the position of women in the muslim world, it is a fact that both pakistan and indonesia have had female leaders already. the US is the one that could take some lessons here imo. and india has a female leader as well. though they are not muslim majority, they have more muslims than we do.

and in my mind, this is the problem with trying to separate the issues of racism/sexism/homophobia etc. They all come from the same place. It's the same with Hillary- she can't get anything right (in terms of her behavior) because she's not a white male. And Obama will never be able to "act his race". White men are the standards by which all other people are judged and for those of us who aren't straight white men, this presents a problem. Our actions will always be scrutinized in a way that theirs won't.

so you and hitchens are criticizing her for not supporting women, regardless of their position, yet you both are not supporting hillary because...?

I would undoubtedly tell her to do the same thing. well, not the dick part. I'm not an advocate of violence.
anyways, my point was that just because you think it's the right thing for a person to do doesn't mean they're going to do it, or that they think it's the right thing to do. And for better or worse, when there are children involved, things get more complicated, as they do when you're in the public eye. Imo, the problem is probably that monogamy, particularly when taking place in a partriarchal culture isn't really an ideal system so I think you're attacking the victim (Hillary) here, much like you think Hillary is attacking the victim when it comes to Bill's accusers.

You're probably right about that, but again, you're the one blaming the victim here. Suppose having low self esteem was her issue? Do you really think she chose to have low self esteem? Or is she just a victim of a society that places unrealistic standards on its women?

lol. but this is not new or unique to republicans. I can think of at least one pretty high profile democrat that said he would move if Bush was elected. (but he didn't).
however, theprude's put it best when he (iirc) said:
good luck with that crazy lady. I don't think you'll find england more receptive to your beliefs, lololol.

there had better not be a fucking word, because bush had a drug history too. and he was an actual addict (to alcohol). I don't remember ever hearing that obama was actually an addict, so someone correct me if I'm wrong. not that it really matters if they were addicted, but still, to be an addict usually implies a person did it longer/more frequently, etc, and therefore are more likely to be damaged by it.

I certainly think you have a better idea of what goes into it and the challenges you can expect to face if you were to become a songwriter yourself. maybe "experienced" isn't the right word, but there is no doubt that by seeing someone else do it up close, you'd understand the process better than someone who hasn't. and learning the processes take up time that could be better spent writing songs or whatever.

I think this post of yours that I've quoted is excellent, in its entirety. I realize you're the one who has to be satisfied with it, but I think it's already good. Although I hate it that you're feeling angry, it's pretty neat to see you get so righteously angry.

<<I'm not so sure about this setting an example for the rest of the world thing. In fact I get downright tired of it, no offense to you rozalia, I think your politics are usually right on. but regardless of how anyone feels about the position of women in the muslim world, it is a fact that both pakistan and indonesia have had female leaders already. the US is the one that could take some lessons here imo. and india has a female leader as well. though they are not muslim majority, they have more muslims than we do.>>

yeah, i didn't mean to insinuate that it WOULD affect other countries (especially when, as you said, female leaders are already present in various countries not exactly known for equal rights, add the phillipenes and liberia to the list!)

though what i actually was getting at is that what the united states does internally i don't think is going to have much affect elsewhere in the globe, considering how little respect the US gets (and with good reason). it does, however, not make sense to claim to be the leader of the free world when no woman or other minority for that matter has acheived the highest office in our entire history (unless you wanna count catholics as a minority--psssh!).

I stated my reasons for not supporting Hillary, I'm not sure why I need to repeat that to you. Whether you agree with them or not is another story, but it doesn't change my opinion/vote. Now the problem, which is what I was quoting, is the fact that so many feminists support a woman who attacks the women who are actually in need of being supported by feminists. The women in low positions being made out to be the bad guy (gal) due to a more powerful male which may have victimized them. Irony anyone?

Get over the attacking the victim part, it doesn't apply here. I'm not the one proclaiming to be a feminist and attacking women in the very way I am suppose to be protecting/supporting them. I actually pity Hillary for being stuck with a guy like Bill Clinton. It's obvious that she was doing quite well for herself before hooking up with such a loser (unless you are only going to talk about his career, he's a loser in my eyes). I think because of her decision to remain a victim by staying with him (complicated or not, they have ONE child who was a teenager when most of this came out, and it's not like it was only one incident either), she has become a worse person and it shows. I feel that all she has left now is her career and she will do whatever it takes to keep it, including pathetic attacks on the other candidates or lying or crying to win votes.

No, she's not a victim of society unless she chooses to be, and again, that's her problem. I live in the very same society and I would never tolerate it and I have no respect for anyone that does. Wait, correction, I have no respect for an arrogant woman that acts as if she's better than all, who is so pathetic to stay with a guy that cheated on her multiple times. If I knew her personally I'd rip her to shreds for it. But, of course, I don't think she's that pathetic, staying with Bill helps her career, which goes back to my original point.

I agree, I do have a better idea of what goes into it. But I would NEVER speak to the public and announce that I am MORE and BETTER qualified as a result of witnessing what my husband has done. I just think that's flat out retarded and she needs to find a new angle. Every other President had to learn during their first term, now we should only hire people that have witnessed the processes first hand? That's a new pre req? Give me a break.

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What's with this lawsuit business: A Feisty Bill Clinton Defends Nevada Lawsuit - The Caucus - Politics - New York Times Blog

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"How wrong it is for a woman to expect the man to build the world she wants, rather than to create it herself."

"I postpone death by living, by suffering, by error, by risking, by giving, by losing."

"I will not be just a tourist in the world of images, just watching images passing by which I cannot live in, make love to, possess as permanent sources of joy and ecstasy. "

-from the goddess that is Anaïs Nin

I think its because Hill is a Dem and this girl thinks all dems are stupid. They also use the excuse that she stayed with Bill after he cheated on her.

But the same girl also said today that she's moving to England if the war in Iraq ends soon.

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Clinton back in pole position after Nevada triumph | Special reports | Guardian Unlimited

Hillary won Nevada

Apparently Maya Angelou wrote a poem for her. I believe this is it.

'You may write me down in history

With your bitter, twisted lies,

You may tread me in the very dirt

But still, like dust, I'll rise.

This is not the first time you have seen Hillary Clinton seemingly at her wits' end, but she has always risen, always risen, don't forget she has always risen, much to the dismay of her adversaries and the delight of her friends.

Hillary Clinton will not give up on you and all she asks of you is that you do not give up on her.

There is a world of difference between being a woman and being an old female. If you're born a girl, grow up, and live long enough, you can become an old female. But to become a woman is a serious matter. A woman takes responsibility for the time she takes up and the space she occupies. Hillary Clinton is a woman. She has been there and done that and has still risen. She is in this race for the long haul. She intends to make a difference in our country. Hillary Clinton intends to help our country to be what it can become.

She declares she wants to see more smiles in the family, more courtesies between men and women, more honesty in the marketplace. She is the prayer of every woman and man who longs for fair play, healthy families, good schools, and a balanced economy.

She means to rise.

Don't give up on Hillary. In fact, if you help her to rise, you will rise with her and help her make this country the wonderful, wonderful place where every man and every woman can live freely without sanctimonious piety and without crippling fear.

Rise, Hillary.

Rise.'

Sure.

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