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Old 01-02-2008, 01:29 PM
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The point of the strategy is the idea that big criminals commit little crimes as well. Part of the push to change tactics in NYC involved bringing in people for things like jumping the subway turnstile, which was always illegal, but used to just result in being ordered to appear at a future court date, and supposedly when they started processing farebeaters and people caught with joints in the park and whatnot, they turned up people wanted for bigger things. I am frankly su****ious of the claim that this made such a huge difference (as well as disturbed by the degree to which racism is intertwined with the practice), since I believe crime is down nationwide since 1990, even in places where they didn’t use these tactics.
I get the thought behind it...but I guess that the degree of racism and classism bothers me too. I'm of the opinion that even if you have squeaky-clean intentions, if the outcome of your policy seems racist -- it's because the policy is racist. I'm sure that they did bust some people that needed busting through their tactics, but I would guess that mostly it has resulted in wasting a lot of money on boring people who are doing pretty ordinary things.

And the tactic, to the best of my understanding, has really just resulted in more drug convictions. Even in places where marijuana is decriminalized, every single one of those convictions for a joint can be used against someone in a different setting, in the case of a relatively benign crime.

Violent crime has dropped significantly, so it makes no sense to have more people than ever in prison.

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Old 01-02-2008, 01:43 PM
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I get your point totally, and I'm not a fan of the strategy. I know things were bad (and its been pointed out to me that really I'm too young to have understood how bad NYC was in say, the 1970s), but I think there pretty much isn't any way to get the racism out of that system, and it sure doesn't help anything when the people who suffered most when crime was high (people living in the highest-crime areas) are made to be afraid of the police. We had a judge actually rule that in a certain neighborhood running away from cops does not constitute probable cause that the runner committed a crime, because it could also represent a legtimate fear for one's safety.

I'm not sure if it's responsible for the petty drug conviction thing, although that wouldn't surprise me. In New York what you mostly hear about in terms of those convictions is the Rockefeller Drug Laws - severe sentencing requirement that the presiding judge of the case at hand must adhere to. I suppose the Broken Window strategy pulled in a lot of people who were then convicted under those laws.
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Old 01-02-2008, 02:03 PM
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is my birthday the murder reporting day, because lol

a 16 yr old was murdered 20 yards from my door on new year's night
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Damnit, stop reporting good news, it creeps me out. I only want to hear about how crime is out of control because all the cops are corrupt and/or on crack!
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I am not convinced those statistics are strictly correct. It would be interesting to know how they were compiled and what the statistician considered a "homicide". Such as whether the figures are based on what a court rules as a homicide and/or whether a homicide is only counted when a body (or part thereof) is recovered. The word 'homicide' appears and then the word 'murder' appears. Strictly, they do not necessarily mean the same thing.
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