Al Qaeda for Furbies or valid social point.

Discuss…..

Define "valid social point". Most of them don't seem to be able to do much more than bombard Internet sites with the same old shock pictures we've all been pretty much desensitised to. Quite often they're of no relevance to what's being said (e.g. I got a MySpace bulletin about some test Colgate does on rabbits - as usual not telling you what the test involves, what it's for, or what the alternatives which we are assured exist are - and with it comes a load of pictures of cats that have fuck all to do with anything).

If you're talking about the extremists, I think someone really needs to explain what's wrong with the arguments made by the more moderate animal rights types, in the hope of making them understand why just going further and further down the wrong route doesn't work. As far as I can see, the only way they'll resolve the animal rights debate is the same way we resolved the abortion debate - by just not having it and letting people do what they want.

I think extremists in anything are bad. Though i do think animal rights activists do have a better point then most. Its when it gets the extreme actions like black mailing, violence and that grave robbing story which i extremely disagree with.

yes, an acceptable solution to the abortion debate is simply not having it and letting people do what they want.

however, i think it's significant to remember that the abortion debate is essentially centred around the issue of personal autonomy.

the animal rights debate is something entirely different.

i'm no animal rights activist, though it's undeniable that animals do get treated shitty, and i don't think that's right.

animal rights is important, we're nothing more than big-brained monkeys.

for some reason there are lots of us who think this gives us the right to rape the planet and every other being existing here because of that.

and i can't really condemn standing up for one's beliefs.

but i think that there's a right way to go about doing such things, and a pointless way.

those who just bark about animal cruelty and show us all sorts of horrendous pictures and whatnot - what exactly are they doing about the issue (beyond raising awareness, i suppose)?

being extreme in your convinctions does not necessarily mean you're doing anything to advance your cause; in fact, being extreme can often be detrimental to it.

seems to be a lot of energy spent for nothing if you ask me.

all of that said, i can't fuckin stand it when people ride my ass about eating meat.

such aspects of the animal right's debate, as you said ophiel, i believe is up to each individual to decide.

ensuring that the animals we consume are handled properly while they are alive?

i think that's worthy of debate.

What pisses me off is seeing some fucking cunt in California wearing real fur. Like it was fucking needed.

Anyone who wears real fur though pretty much is a cunt. It's not needed.

Sure we have to eat, but we can kill the animals we need to eat properly.

But we shouldnt be killing for fun, sport. or anything else.

And peole who do harm animals, they should be charged and reprimanded much, much more strictly then they are now.

You talk about exremeists..yeah, perhaps they dont go about it the right way, but they're doing something, because nobody else seems to care enough to try. So in that way I applaud them.
Shit, if I saw someone hurt an animal, rest asured I'd hurt the guy that did it.

Animals should have FAR greater rights then they do right now. We're all Gods creatures, we all share this planet.

Animals are always entirely innocent. Humans have to mar shit.