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12-21-2007, 06:24 AM
| | Black Bloc "anarchists" ruin a peaceful gathering.
for decades western zen has developed and evolved. alan watts and robert anton wilson are two examples of western zen.
who are other examples? the online group anex provides constant stimulating discourse of tantra and paganism.
what else is working? it has been the flaw of media to underemphasize the positive and the good -- thus contributing to worldwide hysteria under the deceptive guise of "objectivity". to use indy parlance, that's a crock.
on the Left: Black Bloc "anarchists" ruin a peaceful gathering. One the Right: GOP mouthpieces slip and confess the connection to Socialism that the American GOP has held all along.
Two Views of Socialist Deception
--- It becomes more and more obvious all the time that a huge deception has been perpetrated on many people who believe that Socialism and Communism are still tickets to any sort of real freedom.
----- 'Black Bloc' Anarchists - Govt Agent Provocateurs by STEFANO AGNOLETTO
This letter is from Stefano Agnoletto, the brother of Vittorio, spokesperson for the Genoa Social Forum.
Now, I was in Genoa, I've seen it. Don't believe the news you've seen in the press and on TV It was something insane, a massacre.
It is still difficult to tell you what happened between friday and saturday. To do so, I'll use what I've seen together with my dear friends who were present in Genoa with me.
I ask you to have the patience to read this message, it really is the chronicle of a nightmare which probably will not reach the mainstream media.
I arrive to Genoa on thursday, after an immigrant's rights demonstration of about 50,000 people. There are arrival camps, many, thousands of peaceful people, a marvellous atmosphere (remember the boy scouts?), we discussed, sang and just stayed together.
Clergy, activists, volunteers and just normal people, on friday we begin the issue areas in a blockaded city: The various groups partecipating will converge in different points of the city to have a carnivalesque "siege" against the "red area" [The place, in Genoa, where the G8 was held and demonstrations were not permitted] with street theatre, dancing and slogans. At this point, from the beach-front members of the now infamous "Black Block" [supposedly extremist groups blamed for most of the destruction in the city] arrive. Some are seen chatting with police, others just come out of police crowds. Most of them speak German.
They start to break everything. Police and Carabinieri [the Italian military police] just stand there. The black block tries to join in with a group of COBAS workers [COBAS is the new Italian Trade union unaffiliated with party politics]. They beat up one of their leaders, the group manages to stay clear of them with some difficoulty.
Then the Black Block makes head for the first issue area, belonging to the Italian Social Centers (Centri Sociali. Difficult to translate exactly, call them Community organizations). They arrive armed to the teeth. The police goes after them, and demonstrators find themselves attacked first by the black block and then by the police, which starts to charge violently against all demonstrators.
The black block leaves suddenly and appears on the square were the Lilliput network is based (Fair trade, catholic campaign groups ecc). Its members try to peacefully make them leave. The police follows and charges against everyone on the square. Truncheons and tear gas are used indiscriminately.
People raise their hands, shout "Peace". The black block leaves the square and starts to vandalize the city sistematically.
300-400 of the Black Block roam Genoa, and whoever guides them seems to know the city very well. Their path crosses every issue area, where the campaigns of our movement are located.
It's incredible. They move with military discipline, infiltrate everywhere, some leaders shout orders which are promptly followed by the whole group. And, shortly afterwards, police and Carabinieri make their appearance.
Meanwhile, in the issue area where ARCI, ATTAC etc. ("mainstream" Italian 3rd-world campaigning organizations) are located everything is fine. During the early afternoon we decide to leave the boundary with the red zone were we were demonstrating.
People start moving towards Dante square. Suddenly, police launches tear-gas from behind our march, causing panic everywhere. Hospitals fill with wounded demonstrators, but many do not go to hospital since police seems to arrest everyone who turns up there.
Its evening, people are downbeat, many are angry. Suddenly, no trace of the Black block. At the old city, where the camp of the Genoa social forum is, there's about 10,000 of us. The news of the dead demonstrator reaches us. We are scared, tales of extreme police brutality are told by many people. Young men, nuns start crying. Many people are hurt. One old man is crying with a bandage on his head. He is a retired metal worker.
There is Don Gallo, of the San Benedetto (catholic) community group. There is the leader of the mothers of Plaza De Mayo, in Argentina, those women who for years have been looking for their disappeared children: She says she is shaken at what she has seen, it's uncomfortably close to Argentina during the dictatorship. She did not think something similar would happen here.
My brother Vittorio (Spokesman for the Genoa Social Forum), Luca Cesarini (leader of the Social Centers) and Bertinotti, the only politician with the courage to come here (the leader of the Italian refounded communist party, sort of the equivalent of Nader in Italian politics) try to calm everyone: They tell us not to come out in small groups, not to accept violent provocations. We decide our answer will be the enormous demonstration the next day, there'll be many of us, peacefully responding to any provocation, whether from the black block or the police.
Senator Malabarba tells us he was at the police station. He saw strange people who dressed like the demonstrators, they spoke German and other foreign languages. Most of them come out of the station after exchanging a few words with the police.
Suddenly, there is a fire at a bank close to the old city. For 40 minutes, helicopters circle us, but no firefighters or police arrive.
At night, one of the camps were we are sleeping, the Carlini, is surrounded by police: They go in and search, doing what you want. People cry. They ask that brutality stop. Police enters, but does not find anything in the camp.
Saturday, the demonstration starts, a thousand colors. People from all over the world, farmers, ONGs, workers, people from Kurdistan... all singing, dancing, waving all sorts of flags.
On Kennedy Square there is no violence, in fact there is no one there. Suddenly the Black Block appears. Police, with no warning or reason given, divides the demonstration in two parts. A real battle begins. Charges everywhere, people being beaten with truncheons. It seems cops have gone crazy. Metal workers, the youth wing of Rifondazione (the Italian left wing party) are charged. Groups of demonstrators flee and are followed by police. Whoever is isolated is pursued and beaten.
Many people are telling of being beaten only for being recognized as demonstrators. Even the Italian correspondent of the Sunday Times is beaten (in today's issue of the paper he tells of his adventure).
In a part of the march which so far was quiet, by the sea, suddenly tear gas is fired from the roofs. Panic ensues as people cannot breathe.
The Black Block? They appear and disappear, no one stops them. They attack a youth from Rifondazione, wreck his flag, beat him. They throw stones at the spokesman of the Genoa Social Forum They wreck stores, set fire to buildings. Many are armed to the teeth. How on earth they managed to come to Genoa, with soldiers controlling every car?
At the head of the march, things are still quiet. The Genoa Social Forum invites everyone to leave calmly, and stay together. We are being led to Marassi, where there are buses with everyone who arrived this morning.
We stopped there, and could not go further: On Kennedy Square, there is a war. There are many of us just sitting there. Suddenly, tear gas is used, panic everywhere. We try to get back to the camp of the Genoa social forum. Police trucks pass us by, and policemen in them shout: "we'll kill you all".
The second part of the demonstration never arrives to the square. They are charged by police. Many flee to the small streets, towards the hills, where a real man-hunt starts.
Saturday night, the demonstration has ended hours ago, the police enters into the press-center of the Genoa Social Forum. They beat up everyone they encounter, with shocking brutality. All they seem to be after are do***ents (paper, video, pictures ecc.) which tell of what happened in the previous two days. Many of these do***ents, computers, disks are simply destroyed.
The lawyer who coordinates the forum's legal team is arrested. Among the destroyed material, there are the do***ents this legal team put together as part of the defense of those arrested. Now, even the motives for their arrest are not known. During this "search", with no legal mandate, members of parliament, journalists, lawyers and even doctors are not let in the building.
None of us have ever seen the famous weapons shown at the press conference yesterday. Police departs, leaving us with only those wounded and arrested.
No one knows what happened to the Black Block.
To sum it up, 2 nightmare days. Both the black block and the Police knew what they were doing when they committed this violence.
All along, from friday, they insulted and verbally abused us as they did what they did, someone seems to have brainwashed them.
And today, we look at the TV and read papers. My god, it seems like a dictatorship. Did everyone miss what we all saw? When I think that many will read this and say "you violent protesters just talk bull****", I go mad.
Please, don't let anyone fool you, find the courage to put your faith in our wonderful police and democratically accountable institutions to question.
What happened in Genoa beggars belief. Some inauguration for the new governament. Just to give you a flavour of the spin control effort, do you know what the first version of the official investigation into the death, before the videos appeared, was? Killed by a stone launched by the demonstrators.
If you think that many of the do***ents put together by witnesses have been destroyed during the "search"... the only version left to the public is that, "uncontestable", of the police. Please, forward, print, talk about this do***ent. To everyone, friends, relatives, collegues. The truth has to come out. I beg you, don't look the other way.
PS: My brother Vittorio (the spokesperson of the Genoa Social Forum) is destroyed. He told me: It's crazy, it seems we are in Latin America during the '70s. Maybe even he did not realize fully with whom are we dealing here.
The truth has to come out.
FROM DAVID ICKE WEBSITE POST David Icke Website - Home
----- The role of such Black Bloc people is to basically ruin anarchism and creative protest for the rest of those of us who truly believe in freedom. It cannot TRULY ruin anarchism: it simply gives momentum to those who will damn the stigmatism of antiintellectuals and truly seek to understand ourselves in context to the world we find ourselves in.
On the Right--The sad fact of the matter is that the Right wing origin of the fraud perpetrated by illuminists is becoming impossible to conceal in this New age.
Zany Comedienne Anne Coulter left 'em laughing in an apprently improvised routine: stammering and ad-libbing her little heart out all for the NWO's long-running, award-winning SitCom: Shaft Everyone By Creating A World State!
let's tune in now...
----- Fabian Socialists: David Horowitz and Ann Coulter by TERRY HAYFIELD
There is a "Third Kind" living amongst us in this Republic. This "Third Kind" comes in a political package disguising themselves as Republicans, or World Conservatives of the International Democrat Union and Democrats, or World Liberals of The Third Way.
The "Third Kind" wants to establish a self-regulating classless society on planet earth. I have had radio encounters with two Republican members of the "Third Kind," Ann Coulter (author of the best seller Slander) and David Horowitz (author of Empire and Revolution and How to Beat the Democrats and Other Subversive Ideas).
People such as Coulter and Horowitz do not want to talk about the very real existence of the "Third Kind" nor do they want you to know what is really taking place in this Republic and the world.
The "Third Kind" is actually the Radical Capitalist Class (RCC). The Radical Capitalist Class is a group of people that are trying desperately to spread a very specific American/British Capitalism based on Fabian Socialism to encompass the globe. It is the belief of the RCC that this Capitalism if left unopposed will naturally evolve into a Socialism that will pave the way for Communism.
The RCC uses a continuous process known as Permanent Revolution (War, Revolution and Terrorism) to remove all impediments (national sovereignty) for the necessary establishment of Free Trade in order to create a global Free Market System (Economic Democracy), catalyst for Socialism.
The ideas of this "Third Kind" are alien to the American people. Here are a few facts to ponder:
In 1983, former Trilateral Commission (a Fabian Society Front group) members, George Bush Sr. and Margaret Thatcher, founded an organization called the International Democratic Union (IDU).
The IDU views itself as an organization of World Conservatives dedicated to establishing a Free Market System and a "compassionate conservatism." There are 70 member parties from around the world to include the Republican Party.
At the gatherings of the IDU the members set around and plot strategy "to win the political argument" and "planning winning election strategies" for World Conservatism.
Every four years the IDU holds a major meeting to coincide with the Republican National Convention in the same city, at the same time and with the Republican National Committee.
Recently (June 10, 2002) George W. Bush hosted an election strategy meeting of the IDU in the White House at which the President announced to the world of this nation's right to carry out pre-emptive military strikes (translated, raw aggression) against Terrorists wherever they may be. The IDU gave overwhelming support to this policy.
All these facts came from a 1979 Trilateral Commission membership list, the June 11, 2002 Toledo Blade, the May 8, 2002 Wall St. Journal and IDU : International Democrat Union.
Yet, when the current and leading political cheerleaders of the Republican Party, namely Coulter and Horowitz, were confronted with the IDU's existence, they chanted "conspiracy theory" and pleaded ignorance, despite saying more than they should have.
Now for the Radio Encounters of the Third Kind:
Anne Coulter, a bouncy and vivacious blonde, recently had been the darling on the major media talking head shows plugging her (at that time) recent best seller Slander in support of the Republican Party's election strategy.
Various talk show hosts have billed her as one of America's most intelligent women and an expert on the politics of the Republican Party.
Coulter's message is about how the terrible Liberal Democrats along with the Liberal biased Media slanders conservatives, especially conservatives of the Religious Right. Her biggest criticism of these "Socialist radicals" is the liberal accusing the conservative of 'not being cerebral.'
Ms. Coulter was interviewed on a July 19, 2002 Omaha, Nebraska AM radio talk show.
I had the opportunity to be a phone in guest. I wanted to know what kind of response Anne Coulter would give when confronted about the Republican Party's membership in the IDU. In the first part of the interview Anne bemoaned the fact that the Religious Right is slandered by the Liberal biased Media for belief in a higher being and tax cuts.
Coulter also observed when media consumers have a choice they overwhelmingly choose conservative talk shows. One thing she did not explain is why the Liberal biased Media networks had her on their Liberal biased programs to speak kindly of conservatives.
Before I got to ask my very specific question she made the claim the Liberal biased Media is 100% Socialist.
The question: "I am a patriotic conservative. I am so glad you stated there is a liberal control of the press. My research shows in some way this is a two way street. These same liberals since 1983 have not said a word about the Republican Party's membership of the International Democrat Union, that is promoting the same liberal agenda on a global basis and then passes it off as world conservatism. Can you enlighten me on that?"
The answer: No, (emitting an uneasy laugh) I think that is your field of expertise. I don't exactly know what you are talking about.
The next question: "That is exactly what I run into. The rank and file Republican does not know the Republican Party is a member of a global Socialist organization. You have demonstrated in the first half of your interview that you are against this stuff and Gee, shouldn't we know the Republican Party is promoting international Socialism?"
The answer: "I, I...I don't think so&actually&um. I mean I never understood the idea, um, um this, this um, secret organization theory, what are they doing behind our backs? They take half our money. When Clinton was president he was gunning down religious fringe groups, shipping little boys back to Cuba and I,&umm, ummm, (now with her voice raising) They take half our money, wetland designation tells us what we can not do with our land, what exactly do you think they are doing secretly, (voice really tense and still raising in tone) Good God Look what they are doing right in front of us!"
Next question: "That is the point I am driving at! You can ask any chairman of a state Republican Party about the Republican Party membership in an international socialist organization!"
Hurried response: "We're talking about something I...ummm...don't think exists. We've kind of gone off the road here...Can I have another call?"
It was more than obvious Anne Coulter did not want to discuss the IDU.
There are only two possible reasons for this. One of course is she really did not know about the IDU. If this is the case then it is a stretch of the imagination to consider Ms. Coulter an expert on Republican politics. The second reason is obviously she did know about the IDU and wasn't about to enter into a public discussion about the Republican Party's membership in an international Socialist organization.
The plot thickens!
A few weeks later David Horowitz was on the same radio station (August 6, 2002). Horowitz's interview was prefaced by one of the hosts describing how a previous interview was scheduled in advance but had to be cancelled at the last minute because Mr. Horowitz had been summoned to the George W. Bush Waco Texas ranch to talk election strategy. This was done to demonstrate the importance of his book How to Defeat the Democrats and Other Subversive Ideas. Would Mr. Horowitz s response be similar to Ms. Coulter's?
First question: Hello Mr. Horowitz, how are you?
Second question: I was lucky enough to get an advanced uncorrected readers copy of How to Beat the Democrats. I do believe it is a book all Republicans should read. My question is: I understand the tactics you are trying to put across to the Republicans but, in lieu of the recent split between Al Gore and Joseph Lieberman, it seems there is a mad rush of Democrats going to the center, basically through the aegis of the Democratic Leadership Council which is also a member of an international organization called The Third Way. Consequently, at the same time I started reading articles a couple of months ago, one from the Wall Street Journal for May 8, something about an organization called the International Democrat Union made up of World Conservatives, then in the early part of June there was an IDU meeting at the White House that posed these World Conservatives were right of center.
Does the Republican membership of an international organization going to the right and vacating the center open the opportunity for the likes of Joe Lieberman and Hillary Clinton, rated by the DLC as a moderate to capture the political center?
Horowitz: Well look! You don't want to be fooled by rhetoric or labels. How solid is Joe Lieberman's conservative credentials, when it took him ten seconds to abandon all his principals to jump into the arms of Maxine Waters when he got that nomination."
[Author's note: Mr. Horowitz cautions about being fooled by labels and rhetoric, because I assume they are misleading. Notice he did not acknowledge the existence of the IDU.]
"The Democratic Party is pulled to the left by the unions, the racist NAACP leftists, and the teacher s union. All these people are hard left. It is a left wing party. It will remain left wing until it is beaten year after year."
[Author's note: Horowitz then continues by painting the Democratic Party with a list of labels using his best conservative rhetoric, as urged in his book How to Beat the Democrats. Now pay close attention to the following comparison. Horowitz is still using labels and conservative rhetoric, see page 67 of How to Beat the Democrats.]
"If you look at John F. Kennedy and Ronald Reagan, you will not find one scintilla of difference between them. Kennedy was a hawk on defense. He was a militant anti-communist. He was for capital gains tax cut and a balanced budget. And that should tell you how far to the left American politics has slid in the last 40 years."
[Author's note: Yes, Horowitz is correct, don't get fooled by labels or rhetoric. The key phrase from the above quotation is "And that should tell you how far to the left American politics has slid to the left."
Consider that for a moment. Horowitz has hinted the Republican Party has moved to the left right along with the Democrats!]
Question: Do you have any comments on the International Democrat Union?
Horowitz: The Democrats would say"well I&you know. I don't know, I don't know what the International Democrat Union is . . . an international organization? The Third Way is a deception that we used to use when we were in the left to avoid the stigma of Communism without embracing the American way. And that to bear, Hillary Clinton is a Socialist. I don't care what they say in front of the cameras. They understand where the American people are and they are out to fool them. And Republicans have to be vicious in their attacks on the Democrats and strike first or be on the defensive.
[Author's note: Horowitz claims he doesn't know what the IDU is or even if it is an international organization. He then proceeds to use labels and conservative rhetoric to lead away from talking about the IDU. Please also note Horowitz does recognize the existence of the Third Way.]
Question: It seems the Republican Party, being a member of the International Democrat Union according to their web site, they are determining election policies in their respective member parties in their respective countries?
[Author's note: Pay close attention to the next response!]
Horowitz: Thats that's (raising his voice) way too conspiratorial. (his voice, still raising in intensity) Look! Just imagine Al Gore was president when 911 Happened! If George Bush was not in there we would not have declared war on the al-Qaeda! We would have not taken the Taliban down! And there would have been tens of thousands more Dead Americans! That's how I determine my politics! I don't determine them by getting on the internet and finding some international organization!
[The Permanent Revolution is a continuous process of War, Revolution and Terror.] If you notice from the above quote Horowitz determines his politics by waging war and predicting future terror. And still Horowitz will not acknowledge or even address the existence of the IDU. Instead he yells conspiracy!]
Statement: But I found this information in the newspapers and the Wall Street Journal!
Horowitz (now very agitated): The United States is part of the UN. It's a left wing organization. The US is in the UN, does that make the US left wing? The UN is always denouncing the United States, Britain and Israel. That's their business these days.
[Authors note: Just a few minutes ago Horowitz acknowledged a severe 40 year leftward drift in American politics.]
Question and statement (with a slight chuckle): OK, I'm glad you brought that up! If the UN is a left wing organization, then why is the Republican Party pushing International Free Trade, which is a left wing policy? (my voice rising trying to be heard over the loud protestations of Horowitz), I can even back that up with Hamilton s Essay #12 from The Federalist Papers.
Horowitz (successfully drowning out my efforts): Ah Look! I encounter people like you all the time. Politics is a complex business, OK? (speed of elocution picks up), You don't get to be morally pure on everything! Just because the US doesn't get out of the UN doesn't make it a left wing party.
[Author's note: I don't wear brown-shirt khakis and I definitely do not have pictures of Hitler on my walls. And don't forget Horowitz said there was no difference between Kennedy and Reagan. This is a good indication America just may be well left of the perceived American political center.]
Horowitz (quickly changing to an apologetic and condescending tone): I know I am on a religious station. Politics is the art of the possible, not the ideal! There is a big difference between politics and religion. Religion is about getting into heaven and if you mess with the Devil you're damned. In politics& politics is about getting into office! You make pacts with the devil all the time putting together a majority coalition to allow you to rule!
End of interview.
Horowitz, just like Anne Coulter, denied knowing of the International Democratic Union, but did not hesitate to label something he didn t know about a conspiracy theory.
Again there are only two possible reasons for this. One is Horowitz didn't know of the IDU. But, how could a man, who had been summoned to George Bush's presence, to discuss electoral strategy (a man claiming to have authored the Republican manual for election strategy) have not known about the June 10th, 2002 White House hosting of an IDU election strategy session that was covered by the Associated Press?
Something is grossly wrong here. Which leads to the second reason. Horowitz does know about the IDU and does not want the rank and file Republican to know about it.
There may be a reason for Mr. Horowitz's ignorance of the IDU. Horowitz does know about the Permanent Revolution. This he cannot deny.
There is a section of How to Defeat the Democrats dedicated to The Unrepentant Left. In Chapter 4, on page 199, Horowitz vents his anger at a member of the radical left. It goes like this:
"Far from renouncing her communist and terrorist past, Boudin is part of the same radical network that fuels Linda Evans' seditious projects and remains an integeral part of the permanent revolution both signed onto in the 1960s."
The use of the term 'permanent revolution,' was not some idle choice of vitriolic rhetoric to demean the radical left. Horowitz knew exactly what he was writing. One only has to turn to his 1969 epic Empire and Revolution. A series of footnotes at the bottom of pages 28, 29 and 30 reveals the alter ego of Horowitz.
"Lenin referred to 'uninterrupted' or 'continuous' revolution rather than 'permanent revolution,' which had been revived as a term by Parvus and Trotsky." (p. 28.)
"The bourgeoisie cannot exist without constantly revolutionizing the instruments of production, and thereby the relations of production, and with them the whole relations of society." (p.29.)
"Capitalist production according to Marx and Engels had centralized population and industry and concentrated property in a few hands. The 'necessary consequence' of this was political centralization.
Independent, or but loosely connected provinces, with separate interests, laws, governments and systems of taxation, became lumped together into one nation, with one government, one code of laws, one national class-interest, one frontier and one customs-tariff." (p. 30.)
David Horowitz knows of the existence of the Permanent Revolution. Like any other conflict of man there are at least two sides in the struggle.
In the case of the Permanent Revolution the combatants have been Worker Socialists (The Third Way) and Corporate Socialists (today's International Democrat Union). In his youth Horowitz was very active and a leader of The Third Way. In his maturity Horowitz deserted his Worker Socialist brothers in Permanent Revolution and switched sides to the Corporate Socialist cause, now his new brothers in Permanent Revolution.
Like his days in The Third Way, to couch his communism and shun his allegiance to America, Horowitz now hides his communism behind a conservative cloak of new found Americanism in the form of World Conservatism.
But for some reason Horowitz, The Republican National Committee and the Republican Party do not want the rank and file members of the party to know the concept of compassionate conservatism comes from the International Democrat Union, just another Fabian Socialist front group helping to transform Capitalism into Communism.
Just a few last comments. Please consider all the things Horowitz did say. He compared the perceived conservative Ronald Reagan to a 1960s very liberal Democrat and graduate of the Fabian Socialist London School of Economics, John F. Kennedy. Horowitz acknowledged a severe leftward drift in American politics. And most damning of all, in order for the Republican "Third Kind" to rule (not get elected) they must consistently "make pacts with the Devil."
These "Third Kind" ideas are most definitely alien to Christian, Patriotic, Conservative Americans.
It is time for the people of this Republic to acknowledge the Republican Party is just another Communist front organization of the Permanent Revolution -- the dialectical evolution of Capitalism into Communism.
There are points to both give laughs and to cause horror among those people calling themselves "anarchists"', who, like Ms. Coulter, may not realise that they have been suckered by a long term campaign to decieve many people, the campaign of the Illuminists of the Industrial Revolution and up to this very day. The idea is that the Illuminists were determined to decieve people who might have gone to the Left OR the Right: it functions:
each time another person rejects the ideological chains of the Communist manifesto or all the different deceptions of right-wing Statism...
another true anarchist may be struggling for wakefulness and clarity in a sometimes very confusing world.
who lived with the specter of nuclear war?
Samuel R. Delany. In his autobiography, The Motion of Light In Water, Delany describes horror and paranoia cocnerning the Bomb, sirens, threats loud noises causing shock, fear , uncertainty...
that was in 196x...
after a while the experienced realis that the life of a person living in 99 AD was full of worry and trepidation and fear of death, and ya know something?
Those people DIED -- almost everyone you know will die. that's just true.
NO ONE is served by pretending that immortality is perhaps in their sioghts: especially when goofy dumbness is at an all time high.
But he difference between understanding of the world's real situation and projection of internal prejudices is a gaping chasm -- on one side are most of the people you know, and on the other side are perspectives coming from the l;evel that stimulated the insights of krishnamurti and blavatsky, the somewhat misunderstoodcrowley and cayce.
the world is in the same state it was a thousand years ago -- out of balance, as it was in the dark ages.
these are dark ages-- these are times that reflect and copy the epic and legend ATLANTEAN AGE more than any other.
it's irresponsible to yell fire in a crowded buidling: but i am not saying you should be ashamed of yourself. i'm saying that the world is dominated by arrogant liars - and when one spread s the idea that "the end is near" it does NOT help.
put up or shut up remains the basic idea: and there are too many people passing notes that say "psst...we're all ****ED" to allow aone more to call themself a savior or an emulator of a savior. basically YOU'RE sacred and spreading YOUR fear. and your fear is made UTTERLY of your judgments.
this should be GOOD news to you.
KOYAANISQATSI means Life out of balance in the Hopi language. not being a believer in too many prophecies i will leave it at that - but the ancient insights of the Hopi were valid and instructional. Spreading panic was not the intention of any of the tribal shamans...who were BAFFLED, often, by the vagaricies and weird inhibited B.S. of The White man who still has refused to acknowledge to satisfaction the holocaust gifted on them by western culture.
you know what i mean? the racist holocaust against the root tribes of the North maya, the meso american tribes? their world has been in trauma and in danger since the white tribes arrived on their shores.
i expect top be ignored by every MALE and half of the females on this list as i write this. the imbalance is a yang dominating yin and thinking that the righteous path -- and that is KOYAANISQATSI, life out of balance. it even affected the red tribes -- it affected all tribal cultures from the hebrew to the pictish which is why they were ripe for being pushed over and left bafled. it was domination of the feminine, full of prejudice and a sort of "cynial naivete" which doublethinks and doubletalks and justifies its prejudices with a "we had no choice' sort of behavior...accusing those who it oppresses of what it is about to do -- or just did. this is the history of red tribes since 1620: American males -- just go ahead and block it out immediately -- it is what you do anyway whioch is why we have said you speak with forked tongue. Histrionic researcher david Icke also might have an insight -- as white people go right on hypocritically dominating everyone they encounter and calling themselve's righteous: life wil lgo on. those were male shamas in the hopi tribes as well -- without female wisdom there is no chance for accurate prognostication.
being jupiter in virgo , i don't worry -- my jupiter is a lot more powerful in my life than my sun! i like that fine.
but white arrogant pushy and heart-numb males
who vibrate to what ceanne De Rohan calls the "Father Warrior" template and riane Eisler calls the Dominator model of consciousness, and what we neo ishmaelites of the daniel Quinn communities know are the Taker ideology don't understand is that IT'S YOU DOING IT.
even with a piece of mail that practically screams 'YOU'RE ALL GONNA ****IN DIE! IT'S HERE THE BIG ONE THE END!' like - don't forgive me for being honest -- thousands to millions of other GEEKS --
it's a waste of time. The world didn't end in 1999 with the y2k disaster, it didn't end ALL THROUG Hthe post 9/11 tensions...and you have no way of knowing that it's gonna end soon. that being said, a major culprit in ongoing sadness and misery worldwide is "white lies' or subtle dishonesties that accompany missives to millions that do everything to heighten tensions and offer NOT ONE SOLUTION.
As a astrologer i take deep offense. especially when a sidereal astrologer comes venally sugfgesting that we're all doomed. we have enough problems. i am staying on your list; but astrologers get bashed and defamed enough without a prophet of doom who is not Michel de Nostredame spreading rumors of doom.
12-21-2007, 06:58 AM
I do wonder about this group. Part of me thinks that any government has every reason to hire people to act like violent jerks during protests it disagrees with. Another part of me wonders if it's just denial on the part of the protest groups that any of them could be jerks (because they're "the good guys").
12-21-2007, 07:20 AM
isn't the whole issue with black bloc that anyone can pretty much claim to belong to it, thus making them an easy target for infiltration etc? i have always got the impression that since about 2003 or whenever there was the big crackdown, it's been meaningless to talk about them as an 'organisation'. now its just loads of different groups who buy into the name, the methods and the 'uniform', hence the disparity in how they act. does that make sense?
just by coincidence i was staying in the part of copenhagen when and where the riots over that social centre that got shut down took place, and saw bits and pieces of it. i was talking to some people who self identified as black bloc and they were all about 15, so i doubt they were govt
the only time ive ever seen my lecturer lose her temper was when this italian phd tried to defend the police actions at genoa, she, and another girl, were there, and both said they were literally afraid for their lives
also, ann coulter is nuts, icke also
Last edited by never was; 12-21-2007 at 07:25 AM.
12-21-2007, 07:58 AM
Erm, I hate to point out the 'source' linked in the middle is DavidIcke.com
Is blackmark.net longshot?
12-21-2007, 08:13 AM
I'm pretty sure it is, actually. Hey-ho.
I dunno, my main argument against any grand conspiracy has always been that, while I'd hope my government was smart enough to come up with these ingenious plans to deceive me, I know not to hope too much.
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