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Old 12-11-2007, 10:59 AM
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Extending detention without charge:

How do y'all feel about this?

I'm too lazy to find a link, but at the moment it's in the UK Parliament again; originally they were arguing to extend it to 90 days, now they're pushing for 42 days (citing that police have had one or two occasions where they "nearly didn't make" the current 28-day limit. That's "nearly".)

Just wondering what y'all think, really.
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Old 12-11-2007, 12:10 PM
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If there isn't enough evidence to charge someone within 6 weeks, they probably shouldn't be detained. Unless they can prove that someone is actually planning an attack. Which they should be able to charge someone with.

I don't know why we treat terrorism differently to any other mass-murder, just because they claim to have a reason for it. Aren't we just glamourising it by making it out to be a special threat aside from any other murder? Aside from the human rights issue, isn't it a waste of resources/police time to keep someone locked up for that long?

I'd expect the majority of these people who can't be charged have been arrested for things that are unlikely, statistically; to lead to being a terrorist; like going on websites/talking to militants. I'm pretty sure that a large proportion of angry young muslims are just that, and most of those who take a small peek into that world are probably just curious. How many people have had violent thoughts that they would never act on? Considering nothing has been done about the group that claims Jews should be killed, I wonder if there are measures the police could be taking that would actually protect people. Rather than overlooking a detention that as I'm aware is nearly as long as a short prison sentence. Will these people be compensated, I wonder, if it turns out they're completely innocent?
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Old 12-11-2007, 12:13 PM
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odd how 7 days was good enough against the ira

but i guess we used to "extract confessions" in those days
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I just hate that justification, that they "nearly" ran out of time a couple of times. Surely that indicates that they do have the right amount of time, rather than that they don't? I mean, shit, how about, instead of just giving the police more time, how about getting them to HURRY UP? I doubt those 28 days are consistently spent working 24-hour shifts to make sure they don't miss their deadline. I don't believe for a second that it has to take that long, and I'd be very surprised if the police are the one government institution that's running at anything approaching high efficiency.
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Old 12-11-2007, 12:26 PM
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don't think the police particularly want it, the security minister doesn't see the need, the dpp and the former attorney general both aren't really sure it's necessary
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it's the fascist police state innit?

but seriously, i'm not surprised, it's what any institution would do, seek to have more authority.

i'm with liberty on this one, these sort of laws are easy to make and hard to repeal. and even if you accept the supposition that 'terrorists' (read muslims or anyone of an asian appearance) do deserve to be subjected to these laws, which im not sure is a given, then there is no reason to suppose they won't be applied to other sectors of the population
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