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12-07-2007, 10:49 PM
|  | ya basta | | Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: shallow grave
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Originally Posted by bort  Always a risk of it happening when so many people there are more interested in the fisticuffs than anything else anyway. | yeah depends on the group though, with greenpeace, if you throw a punch at anyone i think you are pretty much out for good. or at least that's what they told me, i havent tested it out. they make you go on a bloody big training course
ive never really seen/been with activists who are overtly violent outside of mass protests, at which point its outta my control.
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12-07-2007, 10:59 PM
|  | Phil Goff | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Westport, New Zealand
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Originally Posted by never was yeah depends on the group though, with greenpeace, if you throw a punch at anyone i think you are pretty much out for good. or at least that's what they told me, i havent tested it out. they make you go on a bloody big training course
ive never really seen/been with activists who are overtly violent outside of mass protests, at which point its outta my control. | I've seen Greenpeace people being violent. I've seen Buddhist monks being violent. Lots of people have it in them. I never bothered with protests when I was at varsity because there were too many munters just out to have a fight, and generally the main thrust of the protests tended to be "give us more stuff for free" anyway...
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12-07-2007, 11:07 PM
| | ya basta | | Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: shallow grave
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Originally Posted by bort I've seen Greenpeace people being violent. I've seen Buddhist monks being violent. Lots of people have it in them. I never bothered with protests when I was at varsity because there were too many munters just out to have a fight, and generally the main thrust of the protests tended to be "give us more stuff for free" anyway... | haha i had it painfully and forcefully drummed into me that were to be no shennanigans of any sort if i became a proper activist witht he greenpeace people, theyve gone a bit professional.
i know what you mean tho, people can tend to lose it, hence i tend to stay away from situations where i think i might. people here are a bit apathetic anyway so things have been calm, more or less, since they effectively stopped may day
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12-07-2007, 11:29 PM
| | Phil Goff | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Westport, New Zealand
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Originally Posted by never was haha i had it painfully and forcefully drummed into me that were to be no shennanigans of any sort if i became a proper activist witht he greenpeace people, theyve gone a bit professional.
i know what you mean tho, people can tend to lose it, hence i tend to stay away from situations where i think i might. people here are a bit apathetic anyway so things have been calm, more or less, since they effectively stopped may day | I don't know that it's "losing it" when you get what you were looking for all along. No shenanigans is probably for the best though.
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12-07-2007, 11:34 PM
| | ya basta | | Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: shallow grave
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Originally Posted by bort I don't know that it's "losing it" when you get what you were looking for all along. No shenanigans is probably for the best though. | ive never really come across too many people who were doing stuff just because they wanted a fight, although i am 100percent sure they exist, i think im involved in the wrong sort of stuff to come across them, which is a bonus for me i guess
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12-08-2007, 03:30 AM
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| | | the activists i tend to get along with the best are the ones that put most if not all of their efforts into working on themselves and actually making conscious, personal decisions as to not contribute to the very society they protest against as much as possible without retreating to utter seclusion more than shouting slogans and criticizing one another for not being as "into the cause" as them visibly. personal life choices that compromise convenience sometimes are important...
also, i think protests these days would go a lot better if the protestors wore business attire (if possible, some people can't afford even a $5 suit from the thrift store i'm sure).
of course just a shower seems to be too much to ask for of many of the protestors at protests i've been a part of/witnessed.
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12-08-2007, 04:06 AM
|  | irony maiden | | Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: denny's.
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Originally Posted by sssh People take a step back from me when I tell them I'm a feminist who's interested in animal rights; these aren't the only two, I dabble.. | yeah, i've gotten a lot of shit for what i stand for as well (what i stand for happens to be animal rights and feminism too, and other things). i don't dwell on it though; i just figure that they're fucking ignoramuses and move on.
and i agree that a few people going to the extreme can spoil it for everyone else. i want to change the world for the better somehow and i think activism is a good thing, but only if it's done sensibly. i think that the only way change can be made is to level with and appeal to the majority, and activists simply don't. everyone views them as crazy freaks outside of society. |
12-08-2007, 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by TheEmpress Because I know that a lot of the people within this organization are rather extreme. They recently sabotaged a fur farm by sedating the watch dog and letting loose hundreds of mink. Most of the mink died a painful death once freed from their cages (run over by cars etc.) and the dog apparently started bleeding from its nose & mouth and was in pain because of whatever they'd given it to knock it out. | oh my god. that is so fucked up! i can't believe no one spoke up and said, "UM, GUYS, I THINK THIS MIGHT BE A REALLY BAD IDEA?" surely people would have more sense than that! i mean, fur farms are fucking sick and wrong, but doing what those "activists" did it just fucking retarded and not helping anyone and unfortunately heaps of them do stupid shit like that. |
12-08-2007, 05:24 AM
| | Phil Goff | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Westport, New Zealand
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Originally Posted by cheshirecat oh my god. that is so fucked up! i can't believe no one spoke up and said, "UM, GUYS, I THINK THIS MIGHT BE A REALLY BAD IDEA?" surely people would have more sense than that! i mean, fur farms are fucking sick and wrong, but doing what those "activists" did it just fucking retarded and not helping anyone and unfortunately heaps of them do stupid shit like that. | Some chickens were "rescued" from a farm near Oamaru. I think they all died.
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12-08-2007, 05:40 AM
|  | McLovin | | Join Date: Apr 2007
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Originally Posted by cheshirecat oh my god. that is so fucked up! i can't believe no one spoke up and said, "UM, GUYS, I THINK THIS MIGHT BE A REALLY BAD IDEA?" surely people would have more sense than that! i mean, fur farms are fucking sick and wrong, but doing what those "activists" did it just fucking retarded and not helping anyone and unfortunately heaps of them do stupid shit like that. | I've no idea, it's been seven years since I dabbled in animal rights activism. 
When it comes to things like that, I think the main goal is to sabotage the farmer and make sure he loses out on profit, and ironically the welfare of the animals they're setting free ends up on the bottom of the priority list. Either that, or they're just plain stupid.
It's a lot like terrorism. Killing your "own" in order to get to the enemy, basically. |
12-08-2007, 05:40 AM
|  | I'm the hot one. | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Dying 100 times
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| | | activists are fucking retarded.
and as previously mentioned
smelly uni students with nothing better to do = gross
mink coats = hot |
12-08-2007, 05:56 AM
|  | for beauty douglas | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: i am the cheese
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Originally Posted by Ruth Price mink coats = hot | i do like how activists broke into mink farms in the uk and released the mink. the american mink, not native to the uk, thrived in the wild and devastated the uk's pole cat and water vole populations
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12-08-2007, 06:19 AM
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| | | i think its cool when highly regarded and highly educated people assign themselves very publically and vocally to a cause. i mean people like judges, QC's, medical professionals. it doesnt have as much sting if a politician is an activist (to me) because they always seem to be doing it for an ulterior motive. there's probably less chance of people who are 'indpendent' from the cause having an ulterior motive, though i could just be incredibly naive. dame roma mitchell was a pretty awesome woman, an activist for feminism. in my view for activism to be effective at all its got to be a movement that is lead by someone who can discuss/negotiate/etc with the pertinent people on a level playing field. that's why greenpeace is so retarded. although they do draw attention to some things. that's about as far as they get.
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12-08-2007, 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by cantankerous i think its cool when highly regarded and highly educated people assign themselves very publically and vocally to a cause. i mean people like judges, QC's, medical professionals. it doesnt have as much sting if a politician is an activist (to me) because they always seem to be doing it for an ulterior motive. there's probably less chance of people who are 'indpendent' from the cause having an ulterior motive, though i could just be incredibly naive. dame roma mitchell was a pretty awesome woman, an activist for feminism. in my view for activism to be effective at all its got to be a movement that is lead by someone who can discuss/negotiate/etc with the pertinent people on a level playing field. that's why greenpeace is so retarded. although they do draw attention to some things. that's about as far as they get. | Just ram a boat! YEAH.
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12-08-2007, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by bort Just ram a boat! YEAH. | then climb onto the boat & spray paint the whale. they take you 4 srs.
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12-08-2007, 06:34 AM
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| | | also want to add. i know some people who work for the aboriginal legal rights movement (alrm) and their work is hard and unthankful and for hideous pay. they are very experienced criminal lawyers who could go work somewhere else and get paid alot more money. i really respect them for being actively involved with that movement. i consider them activists.
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12-08-2007, 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by tracyr Last night, we had a panel of Gay Activists in our Human Sexuality class.
At first, I thought it would a good thing because here in Shitsville, there is still a lot of ignorance around. I had high hopes that their stories would touch some of the dumbasses in this class.
But what I came to see was that these particular ACTIVISTS were just as one-sided as their ignorant counterparts! Their stories were touching and lovely, but THEY SHOULDA STOPPED THERE. But they didn't, and it got ugly and annoying. The main loudmouth even went so far as to tell everyone that she JUST KNEW that the Gyno used colder speculums on her than on everyone else just because SHE WAS GAY. 
I understand that they were angry, but does that type of activism really help them? It didn't last night, and I'm a huge supporter of Gay Rights but they annoyed the hell out of even me.
OH, and they even got into a fight amongst themselves! I guess the oldsters won't accept that anyone can be "Bi", and one chick was pissed off that she calls herself "Bi" and she's not being taken at her word? So, the oldster was saying that they call that "Queer" in their group, but they don't like it. So...they started arguing about it. | http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28491
I support activism on principle, and also with the grudgingly knowledge that my viewpoint won't ever be represented in the media so I might as well support one that's at least vaguely similar. However, I do think that activism needs more than just the balls and enthusiasm to get up and scream your frustration or whatever. Not that this is what they're doing, but if activists don't know how to present themselves publicly as people you'd actually want to agree with, they end up doing more harm to their cause than good.
Compared to your panel, Gay Pride does at least present homosexuality as a bit silly, and thus probably not worth getting worked up over. But particularly for gay matters, the face these people present is of people preoccupied with their own sexuality. I don't know whether there's anything wrong with that or not, but I can't help but feel that they'd do as much for the cause by just getting on with their lives, not being ashamed of their sexuality, but not wanting everyone else to give a shit all the time either.  |
12-08-2007, 06:43 AM
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