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11-28-2007, 08:32 PM
|  | thatyou didthis TOME | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Toronto
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| | | a teddy bear named muhammad
any unemployed teachers here? there's a job opening in sudan! Quote: Teacher charged over teddy row
A British teacher has been charged in Sudan with insulting religion, inciting hatred and showing contempt for religious beliefs.
The Foreign Office has confirmed that charges have been laid against Gillian Gibbons, 54, from Liverpool.
She was arrested in Khartoum after allowing her class of primary school pupils to name a teddy bear Muhammad.
Foreign Secretary David Miliband has said he will summon the Sudanese ambassador "as a matter of urgency".
In a statement, Prime Minister Gordon Brown said he was "surprised and disappointed" at the charges.
A spokesman said the first step was to "understand the rationale behind the charge", something which would be discussed by Mr Miliband and the ambassador as soon as possible.
"We will consider our response in the light of that," he added.
Lawyers say Mrs Gibbons faces six months in jail, 40 lashes or a fine if convicted.
Sudanese state media said prosecutors had completed their investigation and decided to charge Mrs Gibbons under Article 125 of the Sudanese criminal code.
The BBC's Amber Henshaw, in Khartoum, said Mrs Gibbons was expected to appear in court on Thursday.
The Muslim Council of Britain reacted angrily to the news, saying it was "appalled" and demanded Mrs Gibbons' immediate release.
"This is a disgraceful decision and defies common sense. There was clearly no intention on the part of the teacher to deliberately insult the Islamic faith," said Secretary-General Dr Muhammad Abdul Bari, in a strongly-worded statement.
"We call upon the Sudanese President, Omar al-Bashir, to intervene in this case without delay to ensure that Ms Gibbons is freed from this quite shameful ordeal," said Dr Bari.
Mrs Gibbons taught at the fee-paying Unity High School in Khartoum and the school's director, Robert Boulos, said earlier: "This is a very sensitive issue. We are very worried about her safety.
Earlier, the Sudanese Embassy in London said the situation was a "storm in a teacup" and signalled that the teacher could be released soon, attributing the incident to a cultural misunderstanding.
But Sudan's top clerics have called for the full measure of the law to be used against Mrs Gibbons and labelled her actions part of a Western plot against Islam.
"What has happened was not haphazard or carried out of ignorance, but rather a calculated action and another ring in the circles of plotting against Islam," the Sudanese Assembly of the Ulemas said in a statement.
The semi-official clerics body is considered relatively moderate and is believed to have the ear of the Sudanese government.
A Sudanese human rights lawyer and Member of Parliament countered that Mrs Gibbons may be acquitted or simply fined under the discretion of the magistrate.
"It is not imperative to lash her, it is not imperative to send her to prison," said Ghazi Suleiman. "But I think the lady, she hasn't got any intention to insult the Islamic religion, therefore I am sure, very sure that if she went to the court she might be acquitted."
Mrs Gibbons was arrested on Sunday after several parents made complaints to Sudan's Ministry of Education.
The BBC's security correspondent Frank Gardner said the situation could potentially become a very serious diplomatic incident.
Catherine Wolthuizen, chief executive of Fair Trials Abroad, told BBC News 24 that getting fair legal representation for Mrs Gibbons is a priority: "We are shocked and dismayed as I think many people are."
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11-28-2007, 09:38 PM
|  | ya basta | | Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: shallow grave
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| | | i was wondering if this would come up
the whole thing sounds a bit stupid to me, kind of like the sudanese government is courting being controversial
id be really surprised if the diplomats dont step in and get her off the hook |
11-28-2007, 10:08 PM
|  | u bet i'll b ur boyfriend | | Join Date: May 2007
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you all remeber "my teddy bones" right? lmao well now teddy is a pot head!!!!
oh ya im back and im burnt out!!!
| this story is much more fascinating. |
11-30-2007, 10:28 PM
|  | afflicted | | Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: chicago
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| | yeah, and now angry mobs are calling for her to be killed by firing squad 
there are some crazy fucking muslims. fuck. |
11-30-2007, 11:39 PM
|  | Phil Goff | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Westport, New Zealand
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Originally Posted by sick of you  yeah, and now angry mobs are calling for her to be killed by firing squad
there are some crazy fucking muslims. fuck. | They weren't spontaneous outpourings of anger though, it was too choreographed. Just like that whole Danish Cartoon palaver. Weak.
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actualy [sic] I have quite a blessed life if I'm honest. I have many people to love, hate few and have few money problem's [sic].... What more does a person need? Oh yeah and I have some kind of humbleness unlike you of course ^_^ ~ CarefulCarpenter |
12-01-2007, 01:26 AM
|  | whirling dervisher | | Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Spin me
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Originally Posted by ThePrude any unemployed teachers here? there's a job opening in sudan! | Teacher? Yes! I guess you could use that label, but it has been said that there is no real teaching--only learning. What can you learn from this story?
There is a bit of history hidden behind the symbolism and those who are outraged and hypersensitive know what the symbolism is. Others would think it rather senseless over-reaction.
"An objective observation of the reaction is more valuable to the process of learning than a biased evaluation of the response"
~~carefulcarpenter
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A depth of love that youth can seldom appreciate or communicate;
A love that never can die for it is a wild seed living inside us, and it is what it is;
Love: that which bonds the reality of one's being to the mystery of the unknown;
Wildflowers: evidence revealed."
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12-01-2007, 01:37 AM
| | Phil Goff | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Westport, New Zealand
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Originally Posted by Sophia_ Teacher? Yes! I guess you could use that label, but it has been said that there is no real teaching--only learning. What can you learn from this story?
There is a bit of history hidden behind the symbolism and those who are outraged and hypersensitive know what the symbolism is. Others would think it rather senseless over-reaction.
"An objective observation of the reaction is more valuable to the process of learning than a biased evaluation of the response"
~~carefulcarpenter | How would you react if you discovered great hordes of people were praying for your death???
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actualy [sic] I have quite a blessed life if I'm honest. I have many people to love, hate few and have few money problem's [sic].... What more does a person need? Oh yeah and I have some kind of humbleness unlike you of course ^_^ ~ CarefulCarpenter |
12-01-2007, 02:29 AM
| | whirling dervisher | | Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Spin me
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Originally Posted by ThePrude any unemployed teachers here? there's a job opening in sudan! | Quote:
Originally Posted by bort How would you react if you discovered great hordes of people were praying for your death??? | I would pray that the hordes of people served a forgiving, charitable, and merciful god--and that I lived in a country governed by a principle that provided protection for the individual from majority-influenced injustice.
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Marerophilia:
A depth of love that youth can seldom appreciate or communicate;
A love that never can die for it is a wild seed living inside us, and it is what it is;
Love: that which bonds the reality of one's being to the mystery of the unknown;
Wildflowers: evidence revealed."
~~carefulcarpenter |
12-01-2007, 06:12 AM
| | Phil Goff | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Westport, New Zealand
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Originally Posted by Sophia_ I would pray that the hordes of people served a forgiving, charitable, and merciful god-. | You obviously have fairly considerable faith. Does such a deity exist?
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Time is the distance that you can't return by miles.
I escaped somehow. Let's go
actualy [sic] I have quite a blessed life if I'm honest. I have many people to love, hate few and have few money problem's [sic].... What more does a person need? Oh yeah and I have some kind of humbleness unlike you of course ^_^ ~ CarefulCarpenter |
12-01-2007, 09:28 AM
|  | #1 cunt-kicker-in | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Northampton, UK:
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Originally Posted by Sophia_ I would pray that the hordes of people served a forgiving, charitable, and merciful god--and that I lived in a country governed by a principle that provided protection for the individual from majority-influenced injustice. | Uh-oh.
I like how you started out kinda defending those who were offended, and then quickly stopped. |
12-01-2007, 09:34 AM
|  | be still, cody | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: port-au-patois
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Originally Posted by Sophia_ Teacher? Yes! I guess you could use that label, but it has been said that there is no real teaching--only learning | that's what i tell the principal when he questions my frequent absences from work! thankyou
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12-01-2007, 03:58 PM
| | whirling dervisher | | Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Spin me
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Originally Posted by bort You obviously have fairly considerable faith. Does such a deity exist? | "One is what one supports"
~~carefulcarpenter 
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Marerophilia:
A depth of love that youth can seldom appreciate or communicate;
A love that never can die for it is a wild seed living inside us, and it is what it is;
Love: that which bonds the reality of one's being to the mystery of the unknown;
Wildflowers: evidence revealed."
~~carefulcarpenter |
12-01-2007, 04:04 PM
| | be still, cody | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: port-au-patois
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| | | sophia, signature quotes don't all have to be about yourself you know
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12-01-2007, 04:06 PM
| | #1 cunt-kicker-in | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Northampton, UK:
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Originally Posted by Sophia_ "One is what one supports"
~~carefulcarpenter |
Then you are truly one of a kind.
See what I did there?
What does that mean, anyway? "You are what you support"? So what, my personality is indicated at least partly by the things I'm in favour of? Or I'm a good person if I wear a ton of wristbands or am totally against what's happening in Darfur because Chris Martin told me to be about six months after the rest of the world heard about it? |
12-01-2007, 04:09 PM
| | whirling dervisher | | Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Spin me
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Originally Posted by Ophiel Ophiuci Uh-oh.
I like how you started out kinda defending those who were offended, and then quickly stopped. | “When people do not respect us we are sharply offended; yet in his private heart no man much respects himself”
~~Mark Twain
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Marerophilia:
A depth of love that youth can seldom appreciate or communicate;
A love that never can die for it is a wild seed living inside us, and it is what it is;
Love: that which bonds the reality of one's being to the mystery of the unknown;
Wildflowers: evidence revealed."
~~carefulcarpenter |
12-01-2007, 04:16 PM
| | whirling dervisher | | Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Spin me
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Originally Posted by Ophiel Ophiuci Then you are truly one of a kind.
See what I did there?
What does that mean, anyway? "You are what you support"? So what, my personality is indicated at least partly by the things I'm in favour of? Or I'm a good person if I wear a ton of wristbands or am totally against what's happening in Darfur because Chris Martin told me to be about six months after the rest of the world heard about it? | At the root of our core our essence permeates into our conscious efforts and actions. Just because one is blinded my the standards one is cultured to know doesn't detract from those ideals which bring earnest joy and fulfillment when manifest.
"A lotus grows in the mud"
~~Goldie Hawn; actress, author, sentient being
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Marerophilia:
A depth of love that youth can seldom appreciate or communicate;
A love that never can die for it is a wild seed living inside us, and it is what it is;
Love: that which bonds the reality of one's being to the mystery of the unknown;
Wildflowers: evidence revealed."
~~carefulcarpenter |
12-01-2007, 04:37 PM
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| | | "yadda yadda yadda" ~~Sophia_ |
12-01-2007, 06:07 PM
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| | | i know it seems pretty crazy that she got sent to jail over a teddy, but it's not like she's about to be stoned to death by fi | |
