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12-13-2007, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by thisbytes  How would they "fuck up" exactly? Like Kerry did when he flip-flopped over whether or not there was a threat in Iraq. He changed his opinion within the same freaking debate. Now why do we want people in charge who are going to lie to us?
| Because they tell us what we want to hear, that's why.
That's ultimately the real problem with politics in this country--people want their favorite programs, but they don't want to pay for them with higher taxes. People are all for a war when the White House and the media are gunning for it, but then when it turns out badly, they go after the guys who voted as they expected them to, a couple of years earlier. And so on. It isn't as simple as they're all just evil scam-selling bastards--we expect a certain line of bullshit from them, sold as the "truth", or at least as the possible, and then when it all blows up in our faces, it's all THEIR fault. No, it's not. |
12-13-2007, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by dirtyplotte long before bush? we were in a fucking SURPLUS before bush. that could have gone a long way to saving our own necks. now we are dead in the water. | No, the debt clock was still clicking away. That is not a surplus.
Although I see a lot of people think that way with their personal finances in the country, so it's an honest mistake. |
12-13-2007, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by vegyrex | despite trillions of dollars in red ink... NOT a surplus.
If I have 40,000 in credit card debt and I can manage to pay the minimum amount monthly to keep it from growing any larger, I'm still 40,000 in the hole. Not a surplus.
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12-13-2007, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by dollpartz The others do alot of jabber, and then do the same thing that doesn't work cuz they are from the same parties that failed with these issues before. These things don't get fixed by voting in the same parties again and again ........ Why people have blind faith these parties are gonna fix their own screw-ups, I dunno. | It's called Battered Voter Snydrome. Much like battered wife. The misguided belief that someday they're gonna change and the situation will get better. This is precisely why things need to move to a state level and a lot more out of the Feds hands. If one state wants to engage in idiotic policy, you'd be free to move to a state that doesn't in your opinion. Instead the Feds issue a blanket policy for everyone which most are never happy with.
The Feds are perennial fuck-ups and we get examples all the time with their inability to fix anything. You're also better off looking out for yourself as the FEMA situation during Katrina has shown, once again, that anything left in the Feds hands is a complete disaster.  |
12-13-2007, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by thisbytes No, the debt clock was still clicking away. | It was ticking away downwards by about $30 a second. Who knows how much more it could have ticked down if Gore had become our president. |
12-13-2007, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by thisbytes despite trillions of dollars in red ink... NOT a surplus.
If I have 40,000 in credit card debt and I can manage to pay the minimum amount monthly to keep it from growing any larger, I'm still 40,000 in the hole. Not a surplus. | Rush Limbaugh denied it to. Quote:
Describing the claim that "the Bush administration squandered this giant surplus left by the Clinton administration" as a "Democrat [sic] mantra talking point," nationally syndicated radio host Rush Limbaugh falsely asserted that "there never was a surplus" under President Clinton. In fact, from 1998 to 2001, the federal government ran total annual budget surpluses of between $69.2 billion and $236.2 billion, according to figures from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO).
Media Matters - Limbaugh falsely claimed "there never was a surplus" under Clinton
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12-13-2007, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by thisbytes
The Feds are perennial fuck-ups and we get examples all the time with their inability to fix anything.
| A false claim. The civil rights act of 1964, The endangered species act, the clean water act, The clean air act, are examples of the Fed getting it right. The problem is when conservative republicans and libertarians try to weaken such laws.
The Fed forced desegregation on the South, it was a slow process but it was unlikely that many of the Southern states would have acted on their own it wasn't for the federal government. Especial when Bobby Kennedy was attorney general. He was probably the best AG we ever had. |
12-13-2007, 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by vegyrex Rush Limbaugh denied it to. | I guess I/we should be thankful for his tradeoff that far and away negates any surplus he may have gained: NAFTA. I guess we'll just overlook that little bump in the road,eh? Looks like we have one of their own in agreement too: Edwards slams President Clinton over trade deal - CNN.com |
12-13-2007, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by vegyrex A false claim. The civil rights act of 1964, The endangered species act, the clean water act, The clean air act, are examples of the Fed getting it right. The problem is when conservative republicans and libertarians try to weaken such laws.
The Fed forced desegregation on the South, it was a slow process but it was unlikely that many of the Southern states would have acted on their own it wasn't for the federal government. Especial when Bobby Kennedy was attorney general. He was probably the best AG we ever had. | Sorry, but a country doesn't get to rest on its laurels of things that happened decades ago...
Gotta keep with the times. What the hell is going to be in the history books for the 2000 time line.
'Well, in 1960 they did this...' |
12-13-2007, 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by thisbytes I guess I/we should be thankful for his tradeoff that far and away negates any surplus he may have gained: NAFTA. I guess we'll just overlook that little bump in the road,eh? Looks like we have one of their own in agreement too: Edwards slams President Clinton over trade deal - CNN.com | NAFTA doesn't negate Clinton's surplus. As been pointed out a few times already, the debt clock was ticking backwards when Clinton left office. |
12-13-2007, 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by vegyrex NAFTA doesn't negate Clinton's surplus. As been pointed out a few times already, the debt clock was ticking backwards when Clinton left office. | Give it time. Jobs are leaving daily. Thanks, Bill. What really cracks me up is when Bush (who is also a joke) got all that criticism for the lack of new jobs created. I mean, wtf are you supposed to do when corporations got signed the golden ticket to exploit poor Chinese people with less than a dollar a day wages. |
12-13-2007, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by thisbytes Sorry, but a country doesn't get to rest on its laurels of things that happened decades ago...
Gotta keep with the times. What the hell is going to be in the history books for the 2000 time line.
'Well, in 1960 they did this...' | The Civil War happened nearly 150 years ago. Its still an important part of US history. Lincoln hasn't been president since 1865 and he's still ranked by historians as either the first or second greatest US president. |
12-13-2007, 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by thisbytes Give it time. Jobs are leaving daily. Thanks, Bill. What really cracks me up is when Bush (who is also a joke) got all that criticism for the lack of new jobs created. I mean, wtf are you supposed to do when corporations got signed the golden ticket to exploit poor Chinese people with less than a dollar a day wages. | You're trying to blame Clinton for Bush's disastrous economic and foreign policies? Its not Billy's fault Bush is a total fuck up. Billy left the country in better shape than what Bush will leave it. Whoever the next president will be will have a huge mess to clean up. |
12-13-2007, 09:49 PM
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12-13-2007, 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by vegyrex You're trying to blame Clinton for Bush's disastrous economic and foreign policies? Its not Billy's fault Bush is a total fuck up. Billy left the country in better shape than what Bush will leave it. Whoever the next president will be will have a huge mess to clean up. | Bush dreamed it and Bill inked it instead of vetoing. Sorry, it's both their damn faults. No surprise there.
This look like Bush to you signing here? 
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12-13-2007, 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by vegyrex The Civil War happened nearly 150 years ago. Its still an important part of US history. Lincoln hasn't been president since 1865 and he's still ranked by historians as either the first or second greatest US president. | Great so clone him and let's get rid of these fuck-up parties we have now. I'd take a clone over either of them at this point. |
12-13-2007, 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ironhills Because they tell us what we want to hear, that's why.
That's ultimately the real problem with politics in this country--people want their favorite programs, but they don't want to pay for them with higher taxes. | Not to mention the programs we do pay for now rarely help anyone.
I've known a few that had to sign-up for disability, but had to lose everything they had in the process and basically starve for a couple years while the gov. offices had fun turning down their claims and stating "we don't make the rules" as their catch-all phrase when people get pissed off. Guess they're afraid a few non-legitimate
cases will slip through. Probably a few of those pesky people that USED to have jobs before they let corporations run amuck. |
12-14-2007, 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by thisbytes Not to mention the programs we do pay for now rarely help anyone.
I've known a few that had to sign-up for disability, but had to lose everything they had in the process and basically starve for a couple years while the gov. offices had fun turning down their claims and stating "we don't make the rules" as their catch-all phrase when people get pissed off. Guess they're afraid a few non-legitimate
cases will slip through. Probably a few of those pesky people that USED to have jobs before they let corporations run amuck. |
You are right about that. People do get turned down alot and it's all in the hands of a caseworker who could possibly turn down someone for their own prejudice reasons. | |
