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Twins meet after 35 years / nature more important than nurture

Gulfnews: Twins meet after 35 years
By Alex Spillius, The Telegraph Group Limited
Published: November 09, 2007, 23:38


Washington: Paula Bernstein and Elyse Schein lived very similar lives. They were both born in New York, edited their high school newspapers and studied film at university. And both were adopted in 1968.

It was only at the age of 35 that they discovered each other and just how similar they were: identical twins who had been separated as infants in a bizarre social experiment.

It came to light when Elyse, who had been living in Paris, had decided to seek her birth mother. She was told that the mother was not interested in meeting her, but was then informed that she had an identical twin, Paula.

After not knowing her sister for three decades, with help from social workers she was able to find her within days.

The two women met for the first time three years ago at a cafe for lunch and talked until the late evening.

"We had 35 years to catch up on," said Paula. "How do you start asking somebody, 'What have you been up to since we shared a womb together?' Where do you start?"

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On that first day Elyse did not reveal the secret she had discovered during her research. But soon afterwards she told Paula that they had been deliberately separated at birth and were the subjects of a unique study on nurture versus nature, a debate that has enthralled scientists for generations.

The real purpose of the experiment was hidden from their adoptive parents, who were vaguely told that the children were part of an ongoing study. "They neglected to tell them the key element of the study, which is that it was about child development among twins raised in different homes," Paula told America's National Public Radio.

"It was like something out of a movie, I broke down in tears," she said, recalling when Elyse told her about the study.

"Nature intended for us to be raised together, so I think it was a crime we were separated," added Elyse.

Overcoming the turmoil in their emotions, the sisters, who both now live in Brooklyn and are both writers, decided to combine forces and write a book about their childhoods and the intense experience of discovering an identical twin in their mid-30s. "Imagine a slightly different version of you walks across the room, looks you in the eye and says 'hello' in your voice..." they write in Identical Strangers, published recently in the United States.

"Looking at this person, you are able to gaze into your own eyes and see yourself from the outside. This identical individual has the exact same DNA and is essentially your clone. We don't have to imagine."

They also tackled the scientist behind the experiment that changed their lives, Peter Neubauer, an internationally renowned child psychiatrist.

At first he refused to speak but he eventually agreed to meet them as long as their conversation wasn't recorded. They allege he showed no remorse and offered no apology.

The twins found that he was willingly aided by the Louise Wise adoption agency that handled both their adoptions. Viola Bernard, a child psychologist and consultant to the agency, had firmly believed that twins should be raised separately to improve their psychological development, and that dressing and treating them the same retarded their minds.

Separating twins at birth was ended in the state of New York in 1980, a year after the study ended. Aware that his research would be criticised, Neubauer reportedly locked the study in an archive at Yale University, not to be opened until 2066. "It's kind of disturbing to think that all this material about us is in some filing cabinet somewhere," Paula said. The sisters believe that in the great conundrum that justified their separation, nature is more important than nurture. "Twins really do force us to question what is it that makes each of us who we are. Since meeting Elyse, it is undeniable that genetics play a huge role - probably more than 50 per cent," said Paula.

"It's not just our taste in music or books; it goes beyond that. In her, I see the same basic personality. And yet, eventually we had to realise that we're different people with different life histories."

Both veer between regret at the years lost and joy at discovering each other.

"That life never happened. And it is sad, that as close as we are now, there is no way we can ever compensate for those 35 years," Paula said.

Elyse added: "It is hard to see where we are going to go. It's really uncharted territory. But I really love Paula and I can't imagine my life without her."
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It is an interesting question that. It is very hard to do it objectively though because adoption studies are still flawed by the fact the sociodemographic profile of adoptive parents tends to be very similar.
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I saw them on The Hour about two weeks ago...it is a very compelling story. They even met the doctor that created the experiment.
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I firmly believe it is a balance of the two. To exclude either nature or nurture is absurd. I am adopted, but my natural parents were a musician and a writer. My parents never had / have music in the house and are not interested in the arts.
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I firmly believe it is a balance of the two.

It absolutely is. In fact as im sure someone will ride in on their horse and say, the whole concept (nature V nurture)i s problematic. However it is very difficult to get anyone in the social sciences to admit that innate qualities bear on development at all. We are all eugenical Nazis.
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YEah I hear you. The last round of psych courses I had seemed to be turning toward the combination as the answer. Social sciences do favor the influence of society etcetera - clearly. I think I am living proof( of the combination) in sooo many ways. Either that or I was dropped off by a mothership.
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It absolutely is. In fact as im sure someone will ride in on their horse and say, the whole concept (nature V nurture)i s problematic. However it is very difficult to get anyone in the social sciences to admit that innate qualities bear on development at all. We are all eugenical Nazis.
Yeah, to get a sociologist to admit there might be just *something* to genetics kills them. It drives me nuts, there are so many examples in life of where genetics come into play in terms of behaviour.

These "twin" studies annoy me because they take something random that two identical twins who have been raised separately and share, eg "They are both Elvis Presley fans and married a man called Bob" and then say that's genetics. Clearly, that is not genetics. That is what we call coincidence. But something like being musical/anxious/mathematical, you can claim is genetic and does affect twins raised separately. But saying something like "both twins get unreasonably nervous before plane flights" somehow lacks the "wow" factor on television.
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Mothership!! LOL!!! I suspect that HG may be a grey!

I have a souo twin. We were not born from the same twin, yet in so many ways we are linked. She and I have been documenting synchronicities together for almost two years. I could write a book on these amazing coincidences she and I have shared. We do not doubt that we have a very enlightened spiritual connection. We have discovered a series of synchronicities that appear to have begun a dozen years before our meeting and possibly before our births.

Spiritual twins has nothing to do with genetic at all, in this case. She studied child psychology in college. Her daughter and my son have the same birthdate--one of the more interesting coincidences, but this is not evidence necessarily of our personal spiritual awareness. When it comes to the real zingers it's difficult to convince other sthat we share this wonderful reality.

After we re-connected she said she was amazed that I knew so much about her life in the past 30 years. I told her this knowledge came throuh my intuition not by research or heresay.

I might suggest these two twins are more likely connected spiritually (supernaturally) than nature/nurture. Do you see what I am sayng? Have you been connected to people this way?
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Mothership!! LOL!!! I suspected that HG may be a grey!

I have a soul twin. We were not born from the same womb, yet in so many ways we are linked. She and I have been documenting synchronicities together for almost two years. I could write a book on these amazing coincidences she and I have shared. We do not doubt that we have a very enlightened spiritual connection. We have discovered a series of synchronicities that appear to have begun a dozen years before our meeting and possibly before our births.

Spiritual twins has nothing to do with genetic at all, in this case. She studied child psychology in college. Her daughter and my son have the same birthdate--one of the more interesting coincidences, but this is not evidence necessarily of our personal spiritual awareness. When it comes to the real zingers it's difficult to convince others that we share this wonderful psychic reality.

After we re-connected she said she was amazed that I knew so much about her life in the past 30 years. I told her this knowledge came throuh my intuition not by research or heresay.

I might suggest these two twins are more likely connected spiritually (supernaturally) than by genetics, therefore the nature/nurture debate always excludes this third apect. Do you see what I am sayng? Have you been connected to people this way?
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