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Old 11-01-2007, 07:58 AM
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Church ordered to pay $10.9 million for funeral protest

Church ordered to pay $10.9 million for funeral protest

(CNN) -- A federal jury in Baltimore, Maryland, Wednesday awarded $10.9 million to a father of a Marine whose funeral was picketed by members of a fundamentalist church carrying signs blaming soldiers' deaths on America's tolerance of homosexuals.

The family of Lance Cpl. Matthew Snyder -- who was killed in a vehicle accident in Iraq's Anbar province in 2006 -- sued the Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kansas, and its leaders for defamation, invasion of privacy and intentional infliction of emotional distress.

Church members showed up at Snyder's funeral chanting derogatory slogans and holding picket signs with messages including "God Hates Fags."

They've picketed the funerals of dozens of troops killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, claiming that God is punishing the United States because of its tolerance for homosexuality.

Al Snyder, father of the slain Marine, said he considered filing the lawsuit for a long time before going forward and that he hoped the judgment would make it harder for the church to continue such protests.

"It's hard enough burying a 20-year-old son, much less having to deal with something like this," he said, recalling that some of the other signs at the funeral included "Thank God for dead soldiers" and "Thank God for IEDs." Watch the fallen Marine's father describe his reaction »

"As far as their picketing goes, they want to do it in front of a courthouse, they want to do it in a public park, I could care less. But I couldn't let them get away with doing this to our military," Al Snyder said.

"Every day in court I would just think of Matt and have him on my mind and know that he was watching out for me."

Snyder's attorney told jurors to pick an amount "that says don't do this in Maryland again. Do not bring your circus of hate to Maryland again," according to The Associated Press.

The award includes $2.9 million in compensatory damages and $8 million in punitive damages, a clerk in the judge's chambers said.
Lawyers for the church members argued Matthew Snyder's funeral was public and the First Amendment protects all points of view, even offensive ones, the AP reported.

Church founder Fred Phelps said the church would appeal the decision, adding it would "take about five minutes to reverse that thing." Watch Phelps laugh at the people trying to silence him »

"This will elevate me to something important," Phelps told reporters. "This was an act of futility."

Later, Phelps said the case was about "putting a preacher on trial for what he preaches."

"All it was, was a protestation by the government of the United States against the word of God. They don't want me preaching that God is punishing the country by killing their servicemen." Watch Phelps say freedom of speech is under fire »

The church had made a new sign to carry after the jury's decision, said his daughter, Margie Phelps.

"Our message is 'Thank God for 10.9 [million dollars],' " she said.

"By that mechanism [the award], the entire world will look over and see that America is doomed and that in doomed America there is no such thing as religious liberty."

The judgment would not change the message the group was carrying, said another of Phelps' daughters, church attorney Shirley Phelps-Roper.

"It's going nowhere," she said of the jury's decision. "This is a nothing. God is not going to stop killing your soldiers. He's not going to stop pouring his wrath out on this nation. America is doomed."

Church members were persecuted for their teachings and the court "mocked and scoffed at our religious beliefs," she said.

Phelps-Roper added that protests were planned later this week in Boston and Acton, Massachusetts, and in Norton, Kansas.

The group plans to protest a Veterans Day rally in Washington, she said.

Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church -- which has no connections with any mainstream Baptist organizations -- are longtime anti-gay protesters.

Before launching their protests at the funerals of American troops killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, they routinely picketed the funerals of gay people and those who died of AIDS.

Phelps and his followers also picketed the February 2006 funeral of Coretta Scott King, widow of slain civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr., because of her support for gay rights.

Several states have implemented laws about funeral protests and Congress has passed a law barring protests at federal cemeteries.
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Old 11-01-2007, 08:10 AM
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Is there some reason no-one's done this before?
Because they thought the DIGNIFIED thing to do would be to just let the sheer ignorance of the Westboro church members speak for itself?
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That's what I really love about GHF: they'll happily expand their list of fags to include whole nations (e.g. Sweden, iirc), but they still seem to think that tsunamis halfway around the world are signs of God's displeasure specifcally at America.

I do love claims of God's wrath though. They make so little sense and basically make God sound like a fucking incompetent. Like when people say God sent AIDS to punish the sodomites; you'd think an omniscient and omnipotent God could do a little better than a disease which is avoidable simply by wearing a condom and not eating any infected monkeys, wouldn't you?
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Well God certainly hates monkeys then.
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Because they thought the DIGNIFIED thing to do would be to just let the sheer ignorance of the Westboro church members speak for itself?
Pretty much. But it gets to a point where you really have to say "enough is enough". Soldiers are, in theory, overseas fighting to defend the freedom which allows these idiots to protest in the first place. Key phrase, "in theory".
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That's what I really love about GHF: they'll happily expand their list of fags to include whole nations (e.g. Sweden, iirc), but they still seem to think that tsunamis halfway around the world are signs of God's displeasure specifcally at America.

I do love claims of God's wrath though. They make so little sense and basically make God sound like a fucking incompetent. Like when people say God sent AIDS to punish the sodomites; you'd think an omniscient and omnipotent God could do a little better than a disease which is avoidable simply by wearing a condom and not eating any infected monkeys, wouldn't you?
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I do love claims of God's wrath though. They make so little sense and basically make God sound like a fucking incompetent. Like when people say God sent AIDS to punish the sodomites; you'd think an omniscient and omnipotent God could do a little better than a disease which is avoidable simply by wearing a condom and not eating any infected monkeys, wouldn't you?
isn't gods wrath evident enough in the fact that he allowed those people to be created?
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Seriously tangential now, but I'd just like to add that people who insist that AIDS could only have spread to the human population by someone having sex with a monkey are retarded retards with thinking issues.
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Seriously tangential now, but I'd just like to add that people who insist that AIDS could only have spread to the human population by someone having sex with a monkey are retarded retards with thinking issues.
Was it this forum that someone said that, or am I thinking of the other place?
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Lol @ "the other place". The Kerrang forum is NOT the House of Lords.

I've heard way too many people say it, it's a really common misconception, but ignores two fairly obvious facts:
  • AIDS travels in bodily fluids, meaning that a person could have been bitten by or eaten the monkey, both of which are probably a bit more likely to actually happen.
  • A person fucking a monkey is very unlikely to be "receiving".
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Nor is it Eton or Cambridge....

re: the "receiving" comment. Ignorant as it sounds, can you not contract HIV by being the uh, "bottom"? I don't engage in gay sex often so I don't know these things.
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re: the "receiving" comment. Ignorant as it sounds, can you not contract HIV by being the uh, "bottom"? I don't engage in gay sex often so I don't know these things.

Yes.



Which would require you to persuade a monkey to have sex with you.



Which is quite hard.




...Or so I have read.
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re: the "receiving" comment. Ignorant as it sounds, can you not contract HIV by being the uh, "bottom"? I don't engage in gay sex often so I don't know these things.
You are more likely to contract HIV (by a factor of about 2) if you are the receptacle partner (either gay or straight), rather than the insertive partner. So you would have to work twice as hard to contract HIV off fucking a monkey as opposed to having a monkey fuck you.

To get back to the original thread though, I think it is a good thing they are getting sued. I am in no way a supporter of war, but I do support people's right to grieve uninterrupted.
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You are more likely to contract HIV (by a factor of about 2) if you are the receptacle partner (either gay or straight), rather than the insertive partner. So