Much of US favors Bush impeachment: poll - Yahoo! News

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who the fuck is the "American Research Group?"
all it says is that it's private.. And it's an AFP article. Of course they're talking shit about Bush. Not shocking.
He's not gonna be impeached, and I don't really see why he would. There's not a lot that can be proven about decisions he's made... that whole "executive privilege" and all..
And to me it seems like all this obsession over Bush is bordering on hysteria... there are other big problems and he's only the president for another year and a half. What will he be impeached for? Lying? Like its the first time a president has lied about a big policy blunder... half the presidents this country has had should have been impeached then. I mean, who really believes he did it "for the oil"?

I'm sure I just don't know where to begin with your post.
I'm glad you were able to get that all off of your chest though.

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go ahead, herekitty... suffer a fool.

First, I don't really believe the poll. However, if it was actually conducted with some attempt at statistical generalizability, I would be interested in reading the questions and to gauge how leading they were.
Endless Bush-bashing is uninteresting to me at this point. I'm not a fan of Bush and I never have been. I do believe this administration has done a lot of sinister things, and is too secretive to be on the "up and up". However, the war was started with the approval of the Congress, if you remember correctly, and despite a lack of broad international approval, it was waged with some support. And many Americans supported it. No one has been able to conclusively say that Bush and his cronies right-as-rain knew that there was no threat from Saddam Hussein. Many in the U.S. intelligence community believed that there was a threat. Yes, there were a lot of half-truths and utter falsehoods along the way, which it's right to be disgusted by. But if my memory serves me, I learned that a specific crime committed by the president must precede an impeachment, and I'm not really sure what specific crime Bush himself has committed besides being an utter douchebag. International law? One, I don't think the U.S. Congress impeaches based on a violation of "international law" but don't quote me on that...
Just today a Federal Appeals Court ruled that basically no one can challenge the domestic spying program because everyone lacks "standing." And now it's under FISA court oversight, I believe, and it's also an old story that isn't going to lead to impeachment.
I would bet that most respondents to that poll couldn't even give a legitimate reason for impeaching Bush that could actually result in the process starting were there the will in Congress. Bush and his administration have pulled a lot of fast ones and gotten away with quite a bit, and impeachment is a bit of a moot point at this stage of the game.

I agree that he probably won't be impeached and the article basically says that too. Also, I agree that technically speaking most of the people who responded to that poll couldn't give a reason for which he should be impeached. That does not mean he doesn't deserve to be impeached, it just means we're not constitutional scholars. This does not mean I think he should be impeached at this point either, I agree it's too late in the game. I think he should have been impeached a long time ago. Actually, he should never have been put into power in the first place, it's our electoral college bs that screwed us into having him for a president in the first place and it's clearly time to get rid of it.

Also, you have to realize that part of the reason he's sort of "untouchable" is because he and his secretive administration have refused to testify in any sort of public forum. I hate to bring up the Clinton man, but he wouldn't have been caught either if he had refused to testify about what went on in his office.

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The problem is after the utterly frivolous attempt to impeach Clinton everyone thinks it's just what you do when you sort of don't agree with something a bit. It's no wonder people would arbitrarily call for impeachment, the process has been utterly devalued.

We're going to get kids in the playground that are all "right, just for that I'm impeaching you" "no I'm impeaching you" etc.

I'm more surprised that 55% of people aren't rooting for a media-lynching. It's shaken my entire understanding of human nature. Who cares if Bush deserves it? What happened to their "let's fuck over our boss because the opportunity came up and it'll be a laugh" spirit?

While I more or less agree with this in theory, it seems that it would have gotten to this point much earlier based on all of the things this administration has done if that were truly the attitude of the country. And sick of you, I don't know who the hell this research group is either, I don't know the quality of their work, etc, I just thought it was an interesting article. But let's just say they way overestimated and did everything wrong and manipulated the questions etc- let's say only 20% of the US favors impeachment. I think if it were not for what we had gone through with Clinton, the numbers would be higher. No one really enjoyed that except for Ken Starr, Linda Tripp and all of the right wing adulterers in congress. The rest of the country was not amused and Clinton was still a more popular president throughout the whole ordeal in terms of poll numbers than Bush has been for over a year. I think that says something, regardless of whether this impeachment poll is "good science".

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American Research Group is yet another leftist front. Study the poll and check up on the money donors and it is quite a leftist push poll. I saw that with just 10 minutes of research.

For the oil? Of course it is, but not in the way the marxists portray it. We do not have enough refineries, oil wells, power plants, etc., because the marxists within have successfully cornered our energy sector from any growth. It is part of their strategy to cripple the United States' power. There is only one thing left for the US to do and that is to keep the Mid East stable, because all of Western civilization will cease to exist without it.

The leftists in here are mainly just a bunch of narcissistic useful idiots who parrot their masters who play on their narcissism. Their utter self-centeredness blinds them to that fact, and their masters know it. Their masters know these fools are addicted to feeding their self-desires; an addiction they are too stupid to understand that it can never be satiated. That is why they will never stop yapping. It is why they will relentlessy pursue their suicidal religion. I don't care if they are suicidal. The problem is they are dragging us to the edge of the cliff with them.

That is why, sick of you, we must constantly fight them. We can no longer afford to fight them purely on the defense. We must take the fight to them and turn around the momentum, and keep the momentum against them.

You cannot get them to reason because their entire religion and dogma is based on emotion. That is why they always play on people's emotions to try to shame them into doing things their way. They cannot use logic. They must manipulate through the baseness which lies within every human. Batter them with logic and they will wither like an orchid in the desert sun.

Sure, they will accuse you of being a __________phobe or a racist. When they do that they know they have already lost the arguement and try to shift the focus of the arguement.

If you are to have any chance against them, use the battering ram of logic, and keep them on point until they whip out the phobia or racist card. They will do it every frickin time. They're Pavlovian to the hilt because their flesh dominates their every thought process.

whatever. I made quite a long post directed at you filled with logic in the michael moore thread and you completely ignored it in the same way you have done in the past. You only like to post and engage in soundbyte/bumper sticker talk, I assume because you're not capable of deeper thought. There is definitely some emotion in my post too because I don't like it when you try to speak for my family/all vets, but you can feel free to ignore that and just speak to the logic. You're very good at ignoring what you don't want to see anyway, so it should be easy.

Also, just because you keep saying leftists appeal to baseness doesn't make it so. In fact, I think it's completely the opposite. It is rightists like you who are completely greedy and believe in every person (including children) for his/herself.

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Like I said, the funny part is that every leftist will be in here trying to seriously discuss this propaganda film.

You are attempting to have a serious debate upon something that is a farce in the first place.

Michael Moore is an America-hating leftist who uses his every resource to smear us. He doesn't care if he builds it on lies. He knows you peeps will swallow it whole, because he feeds you what you want.

I will not salute your master.

our debate was about health care, etc, and really had nothing to do with him. I haven't seen the movie. You had no problem posting in that thread up until I tried to have a debate with you so I can't see this as anything other than you trying to avoid answering to things you can't.

btw, nice attempt to change the subject.

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who fucking cares
shoot the bastard and see how it all continues regardless

latch onto somethjing elseto make you feel "free and independent
cos youre alloooooooowed to disagree with your particular govt
orsomething
who fucking knows
its just getting frustrating
i donteven care

the "American research group" is some teeny opinion polling dump, that i bet is funded by a PAC, somewhere.

and this thread title is misleading, as 45% of americans certainly and absolutley DO NOT favour impeachment.

it should be called "45% of a thousand folks from New Hampshire polled by a liberal media company, would favor impeachment".

and that's a thread nobody would have responded to.

this thread title is taken directly from what the news item said when it was posted on yahoo.

I don't really care about the group or its merits tbh, I just felt like posting this article. I also don't really care who responds to it. I've made many threads in n & p that get zero responses but I still keep making them. :shrugs:

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Key points in bold: if you replace the word "logic" with the