obviously, this is mainly directed at left turn. I don't want to be critical - I'd just like to see what people have got to say about it.

Start with the later stuff - Day At The Races or A Night In Casablanca are best. Make sure you check Duck Soup and Animal Crackers out eventually.

My view- Utter shite! Ivan Turgenev makes a much better read!

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love the marx bros. and "fathers and sons". nice wan

but what about trotsky & luxemburg?

Don't know much about the theoretical nuts and bolts of the religion. But I do know what it has done in practice: mass graves.

ZT3d has spoken, and I am powerless to resist.

He's still alive?
His post is much shorter than his old posts were.

Cos I can't be arsed posting on here anymore. Time was, long ago, there were some worthy adversaries, people who were intelligent and well read without having to boast about it, stuck to the point, had wit and good humour, and were, sometimes, a joy to debate with.

However, they have since long gone - and so I have I, generally. I only come here on holidays.

i would reverse this, and day at the races can only be described as mid period, before all the later shit

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they made soup out of my research turtles.

I put the more recognisable ones first for comedy effect

That's because peering into the minds of utter and shameless narcissists makes me ill, yet their aplomb is a fascinating thing to watch; seeing their souls devolve to such depths. Their minds and souls are so deeply rotted with selfishness, there is no point in trying to get them to see reason. Just watch and think, "By the Grace of God go I."

Haha, I saw "marxism" and "Zt3dster" on the same line, and I was like "OMG I am so there!"

Without wishing to fuel his righteous ire, some aspects of Marxism really are quite revolting even to a limey socialist faggot like myself. Specifically the stuff about uniting the subaltern - that is, getting all the oppressed subgroups rallied up together against the government by persuading them that it would be in their interests, even though it's pretty likely that their interests would be mutually exclusive if anything were actually achieved. I thus blame Marxism for the shitty homogenised whoremonster that "counter-culture" has become.

But the rise of counter-culture was due the defeat of Marxist ideas and sub-culture...

Huh? The counter-culture was founded by marxists. At least in the US that is the case. I guess you're referring to the British CC, of which I know nothing.

almost as silly as saying it was founded by reptilians

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they made soup out of my research turtles.

kesh = hi-fived to fuck.

the counter culture was founded by cristobal the son of alejandro

Really? I don't pretend to know. I just got the impression that the whole thing about uniting the subaltern would be at least partly responsible for the kind of generic "alternative" labels you get slapped on anything and everything that's a bit "different". Maybe I'm not meaning counter-culture.

so nobody had an international ANSWER?

well...it's coming.

ztedster is sort of right, as is left turn.

the people who had the most witty insights were uniformly hated by the envious and insecure. they were banned, they were attacked, they were sniped at in pms. they had their passwords stolen and people said stupid shit in their names, and they got banned.

and the people who hated the most, the most envious -- i don't mean petty simple day to day jealousy but real envious bullshit artists who hated those who had something going on more than they could get their own shit going --

they stayed and ruled. i miss destinylove the most and i never even TALKED to her at all. just liked seeing her name. dig? no winks.


after awhile,
there was a kittyradio "council".
funny thing, in Russian the word "council" translates to "soviet".


the thing about Marxism in the non russian states
is that people thought it was a counter to American style capitalism
and so they romanticized it and embraced it. they like people who romanticize more than they think -- or love -- generated blind spots in which hid the great Monsters of totalitarian Bolshevist thinking, Lenin the great ambitious liar, Hitler the frustrated artist turned antisemitic international socialist, castro who hid behind ethnicity to become an Island Nero...

there is more, but that's the big thing.
Capitalists oversaw the creation of the main Bolshevik ideas from Marx and Engels from meetings in New York because slavery had ended in America and the American oligarchy were feeling it in their silk purses...