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Old 06-14-2007, 10:35 AM
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America needs to follow Chinas lead...

at least when it comes to sentencing child rapists to death.

I read yesterday that th U.S. is considering making the rape of a child under 6 years old punishable by death but they are still undecided on the matter.

At least China didn't have to think twice about the matter:

Chinese Teacher Gets Death for 18 Rapes


BEIJING?(AP)?— A teacher in northwestern China has been sentenced to death for raping 18 primary school girls, the second such case in the same area, state media reported Wednesday.

Cheng Laifu, a teacher in Changhe township in Dingxi city in Gansu province, was convicted of raping the 18 third- and fourth-grade students on 70 separate occasions between September 2001 and March 2005, the Xinhua News Agency said. The victims were 9 and 10.

The ruling from the Dingxi Intermediate People's Court said Cheng even raped several of the girls at the same time.

"Cheng's crimes have had an extremely negative impact on society," the court said.

Calls to the court rang unanswered Wednesday.

In July 2005, Li Guang, also a teacher in Changhe township, was sentenced to death for raping 23 fourth- and fifth-grade students, Xinhua said.

It said local education officials would not say if the two cases were from the same school.

It said the court had conducted a closed-door trial.

Chinese Teacher Gets Death for 18 Rapes - The Crime library
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Old 06-14-2007, 10:41 AM
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I fully agree with you!
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Old 06-14-2007, 06:55 PM
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Yes,

But China needs to follow OUR lead in a few things like not killing their baby girls Gendercide Watch: Female Infanticide and clubbing their dogs to death BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | Second Chinese dog cull planned because of diseases that are TOTALLY FUCKING PREVENTABLE!
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"Cheng's crimes have had an extremely negative impact on society," the court said.


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Ya think? What a sick bastard.
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Old 06-14-2007, 11:52 PM
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But China needs to follow OUR lead in a few things like not killing their baby girls Gendercide Watch: Female Infanticide and clubbing their dogs to death BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | Second Chinese dog cull planned because of diseases that are TOTALLY FUCKING PREVENTABLE!
Thats true.
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Old 06-15-2007, 02:12 AM
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I would argue that the U.S., or any country for that matter, not follow China's lead.. at all.

Capital Punishment is fucked up and wrong, even if a man rapes more than 20 children. While that is clearly disgusting, horrible, indefensible behavior that should be punished, a death sentence is not the answer.

Note that the article says a "closed-door trial" was utilized. Whatever that means, i'm certain that it doesn't mean simply that they didn't allow media in. China is execution happy - I don't think you or I have any idea how many people are executed in China annually.
Rather than lauding the Chinese authorities for this case, i'd point to some egregrious behavior of the authorities themselves - including brutal enforcement of the 1-child policy involving forced abortions. The government allows the most brutal animal slaughter you can imagine for meat and fur - boiled animals, racoon dogs skinned alive. Unregulated food production has led to thousands of deaths due to contaminated and chemical-laden food and consummable products. And this stuff is just the tip of the iceberg - we really have just a slight idea of the horrors that go on there, I think.
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Old 06-15-2007, 06:25 AM
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The mortality rate in China is rather high without executions at all. The simple fact that so many are dying cheapens the value of life considerably. Perhaps it's not the severity of the punishment but that there is punishment. Seventy counts of a crime seems incredible to me. There is no fitting punishment for this sort of thing. Do you think maybe this sort of thing goes on without anybody doing anything about it even though they knew about it? Maybe even with full knowledge of the childrens parents or as participants? It would seem the chinese don't value their own lives very much. Perhaps the punishment for this is to bring into line the parents of these children as well. Perhaps their parents sold them into prostitution. China seems like a very dark place to me. No, I don't think America needs to follow China into anarchy.
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Old 06-15-2007, 08:59 AM
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I'm pretty sure angelglo was only wanting us to follow China with the whole child rapists thing. None of the other shit China does. Its just insane how many rapists get away with it or are allowed to live amongst us in our communities and what not. I mean they rape a bunch of kids and then get put back into the city as if nothing happened. Right next door to kids and it happens again. And all they ever do is stick them in jail for a short period of time and then guess who is right back out again? Its disgusting! Something more should be done to stop this. Like a death sentence!!
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Old 06-15-2007, 11:41 AM
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The mortality rate in China is rather high without executions at all. The simple fact that so many are dying cheapens the value of life considerably. Perhaps it's not the severity of the punishment but that there is punishment. Seventy counts of a crime seems incredible to me. There is no fitting punishment for this sort of thing. Do you think maybe this sort of thing goes on without anybody doing anything about it even though they knew about it? Maybe even with full knowledge of the childrens parents or as participants? It would seem the chinese don't value their own lives very much. Perhaps the punishment for this is to bring into line the parents of these children as well. Perhaps their parents sold them into prostitution. China seems like a very dark place to me. No, I don't think America needs to follow China into anarchy.
Why would you think the parents knew or participated?
As for the prostitution thing seriously, what the fuck!
Did the parents of the boys molested/raped by priests in the US and really globally sell them into prostitution, or is it possible that the parents just didn't know?
I doubt any parent asks their kid if they were raped today in school/church on a daily basis.
And why does it seem the Chinese don't vsalue their lives very much to you?
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Why would you think the parents knew or participated?
As for the prostitution thing seriously, what the fuck!
Did the parents of the boys molested/raped by priests in the US and really globally sell them into prostitution, or is it possible that the parents just didn't know?
I doubt any parent asks their kid if they were raped today in school/church on a daily basis.
And why does it seem the Chinese don't vsalue their lives very much to you?
For one, China is a communist dictatorship. A school teacher works for the government. It doesn't say what sort of evidence they had or what had happened to allow this to happen. I'm thinking though that it was under threat of violence against anyone who got wise. Is this not what happened with the church though? There was a lot of threats against anyone who would come forward with allegations of abuse? Also bribery? If one accepts bribery then it would be just that then, prostitution. Right?
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Old 06-16-2007, 05:27 AM
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You have no reason to think it, dude. Hushamouth.
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You have no reason to think it, dude. Hushamouth.
I'll think what I like, stick it in your ear.
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I think the whole bunch of that gang are a lot of creepy crud bags top to bottom.
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doesn't china harvest the organs of its executed?
Yep, it's pretty well known. Chinese inmates live in squalour, unless you're on death row when you get decently fed & looked after and get a single bullet to the temple with a doctor present.

I can't even slightly understand why people would idealise the chinese justice system. It's one thing to endorse shooting rapists and kiddie fiddlers but their record on human rights and fair trials is horrific. This is not something that we should be aspiring to.
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For one, China is a communist dictatorship. A school teacher works for the government. It doesn't say what sort of evidence they had or what had happened to allow this to happen. I'm thinking though that it was under threat of violence against anyone who got wise. Is this not what happened with the church though? There was a lot of threats against anyone who would come forward with allegations of abuse? Also bribery? If one accepts bribery then it would be just that then, prostitution. Right?
Exactly, the article doesn't say what evidence they had or how/why it happened.
So you claim about the parents is pure speculation, and is kind of short sighted.
It's based on the fact that this happened in China, so the parents must have known right?
And an eight year old receiving bribes (as you so accurately put it) is not a prostitute.
A prostitute KNOWINGLY AGREES to have sex for compensation.
A raped child being terrorized and bribed is something completely different.
Young children get bribes like toys to keep their mouth shut, because they don't know any better.
Same with bullying and threatening a kid.
And I still don't get why/how you would jump to the conclusion the parents knew, consented and even participated.
Or why the Chinese don't value life/their lives
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Another way to think about a statement like "they don't value their lives" would be to consider the number of people in China and the fact that with so many people, the loss to society of each human life may be perceived to be less. I mean, with well over a billion people - there's just no way that everyone can care about everyone else. Many people--particularly those living in rural areas, which cover a lot of the geographically huge country--are more concerned with basic survival. There are a lot of people living in dire poverty in China, and some in communities of environmental degradation. And local, regional governments have a lot of power and are in many cases extremely corrupt and they cover up a lot of shit that happens. Basically, I think the so-called average Chinese person has a lot of problems and worrying about people dying elsewhere in the country is probably not near the top of the list.

However, I don't believe that Chinese people are somehow incapable of compassion or reverence for human life - which would make me skeptical of the idea that these children's parents were complicit in their molestation. Perhaps it was known by others in the school, but like some of you said we have no idea about that.
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