Well yeah, one hopes. All I'm saying is that there's a limit to what an outsider can do, and I think that's healthy, because we don't like it when outsiders tell us what to do. They might well argue (and I'd understand up to a point) that if you're going to kill them anyway, what's the point?

lets have a picture of a bear being "milked" for bile

poor dogs that's horrible...

i dont know but that rabbit looks pretty ****ed up:

At home in Germany, Karl Szmolinsky raises a breed of rabbits called Giant Greys. He sold eight of his bunnies, which can reach a maximum weight of 23 pounds, to North Korea for their meat.

Didn't you hear about what happened to those bunnies after he sold them? Kim Jon Il ate them. All of them.

You gotta admit those dogs look pretty ****ing delicious.