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Old 06-05-2007, 07:15 PM
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Michael Moore "Sicko" -- out June 29th

anyway.. this one is gonna hit big.
he's on oprah right now! and seems FAR less partisan, liberal, or angry. infact he seems really well collected and smart.. and rational.

let's discuss this upcoming documentary and health care in america.
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Old 06-05-2007, 07:24 PM
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admittedly i only saw his last film once, but i never understood why he became the hate figure he did

i also find it hilarious that him and chomsky sort of constitute the whole spectrum of left wing politics for a lot of people

i'm not generally a big fan of his, as his books are way too colloquial (sp?) and scatter gun, and his last film was a bit rubbish, but from what i can tell he is going back to the stuff he used to do on tv nation and the awful truth where he attacks a specific issue/practice, and i think he is better at that, so maybe i will like it.

i find the idea of paying for healthcare a bit bizarre to be honest, as i was raised with the nhs. however, since their slowly trying to kill it off through the semi-introduction of market forces, whilst simultaneously making it into a huge bureacracy so they can claim its inefficient, i might actually have to get used to paying for things.
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I don't know about him appearing less partisan than usual, certainly not less logically impaired: At one point he leaped to the conclusion that because there was a law mandating that companies offering managed care were bound to their stockholders to make the greatest profit possible, it then naturally followed that the only possible solution was government-subsidized healthcare for everybody.

In other words, his same old shit.
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Health care in America...hmmmm...if you're rich you can afford it, if you're poor or even just middle class or work at a job that doesn't give you coverage - YOU CAN'T.

People go into major debt over there because of medical problems or even having a child (which I've heard can cost $20,000+) no wonder there's such a large unabirthing movement in the US (pregnancy and birthing completely alone without any medical or midwifery practicioner involvement).

This film is going to show the depths of despair surrounding healthcare in the richest country in the world. That's what happens also, when you have FOR PROFIT healthcare. Lots of people get screwed.
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I don't know about him appearing less partisan than usual, certainly not less logically impaired: At one point he leaped to the conclusion that because there was a law mandating that companies offering managed care were bound to their stockholders to make the greatest profit possible, it then naturally followed that the only possible solution was government-subsidized healthcare for everybody.

In other words, his same old shit.
how have you already seen this movie?
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People go into major debt over there because of medical problems or even having a child (which I've heard can cost $20,000+) no wonder there's such a large unabirthing movement in the US (pregnancy and birthing completely alone without any medical or midwifery practicioner involvement).
Our government pays us $4000 for each kid that is born. However, most people use this money to buy important stuff, like plasma TV's
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how have you already seen this movie?
I haven't. I'm taking verbatim what he said on Oprah.
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I haven't. I'm taking verbatim what he said on Oprah.
Really? Do you know where I can find a transcript?
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I'm interested to see this, as my healthcare is covered free by the NHS too. I can't imagine being too poor to be ill...
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We used to have a system where everything was covered, and you payed a monthly fee, rich people more than the middle/lower class.
But our government in it's incredible wisdom decided to have an American type system, so now some things aren't covered, rich and poor people pay the same monthly fee, and what poor people now pay is about twice as much what they used to pay, while the rich pay far less compared to before.
So I really want to see this movie, just to get an idea of other bright idea's of our government to come.
Just to brace myself.
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Better yet.. someone who believes universal healthcare should be implimented:

Please explain the potential problems of such a system.
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I'm interested to see this, as my healthcare is covered free by the NHS too. I can't imagine being too poor to be ill...
In the US even if you have health insurance you still run a real risk of going bankrupt. Many insured Americans are just one major illness away from ruin. That's fucked up.
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Please explain the potential problems of such a system.
There's not enough to stop it being worth doing, but enough to make sure it won't be. That said, I'm not sure if what we have here would work in America. You'd probably end up with a centralised mess, or a "postcode lottery" between different states like you do with abortion laws.
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i'm sold. i will see this.
So am I.

I heard Moore was in trouble for going to Cuba. I didn't understand why he needed to go to Cuba in a documentary about US health care.

Now I know why.
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