You do understand that you are quite insane?

I agree with you about this. It's a sad thing indeed. For example, people forgot that the British also occupied Iraq with disastrous results.

Whatever. Our system is broken now, completely broken. Government health care systems have worked fine in other countries similar to ours, I think we should give it a go. Free market principle may have kept costs down in the past, but at this point it's making everything more difficult because of all the different insurance policies and the bureaucracy that comes along with that. We've already got a ineffective bureaucracy, I'm not sure the govt (under a different administration) could do much worse at this point.

lolz @ you and your bumper sticker thinking. If you want to go that route, then let's go with what the original bumper sticker said and work from there:

"If you think education is expensive, try ignorance"

You have tried to take that and change the words around to fit your world view, but the fact is that healthcare is already retardedly expensive.
I think it's probably more expensive this way in fact because preventative health care for people who can't afford it is less expensive than paying for their emergency trip to the hospital when they get really sick and paying for their expensive surgeries/treatments/etc. When they are forced to let a problem go that could have been solved much more cheaply if it had been caught earlier, we end up paying the costs anyway. Until there are no poor people in our country, we'll be paying for their health care one way or another.

lolz. this shit already happens.
In fact, the issue of "tort reform" brought up lots of these issues. Speaking of people who have no memory beyond what the media feeds them... and this wasn't even that long ago tedster.

I don't even agree with you here, but if it were true, it would most likely have nothing to do with people's perceptions of their govt vs their perceptions of corporations. My guess is that it would have to do with the fact that you go to the atm more frequently than you pay your taxes (unless we're talking sales taxes).

What is it that you think people on the right use ted?

Hey, guess what? My dad, uncles, grandfather, great uncles, etc all fought in various US wars and pretty much every one of them is in a UNION. Well, one of my great uncles died at Normandy so I never met him and the other one is not in a union as far as I know, but both of my uncles and my dad, who all fought in Vietnam are UNION members. My grandfather was too until the day he died and you know what? Those unions take care of them (and my grandmother) so you don't have to because none of them were/are rich from doing their work and I don't come from a wealthy family. So on behalf of my entire family, kindly STFU because as usual, you distort the truth and/or have NO FUCKING IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

I love it. Didn't that retard Ann Coulter just get into hot water for saying that John Edward's wife should just make a bumper sticker that says "ask me about my dead son"? It's really funny because I don't know if Mrs. Edwards actually brings it up a lot, but people like you don't hesitate to bring up the holocaust whenever you're looking for someone to be a little more sympathetic to your cause/point of view. The great irony is that Bush is more like Hitler than any other president since the third reich. OMG, third reich = the holocaust! The holocaust! now you can't argue with what I say because I have immunity. If you disagree with me, you are clearly in favor of genocide against the jews.

lol, just lol. my other grandfather, the one who didn't fight in WWII was about half-Cherokee (keep in mind I don't really buy racial purity bs) so on behalf of him & our ancestors, I offer another sincere 'fuck you'.

you know, I think this illustrates the difference between the left and the right quite nicely. Even though I think you've got it backwards and it's the people on the extreme right like yourself who are striving towards tyranny, I still don't believe you deserve that. And you know damn good and well that you're in favor of tyranny- why don't you tell me again what it is you would do with leftists like me if you were in charge?

no, actually, I'll be out of school soon and then I'll be happy to pay my own way. And like I said, the "don't get sick" plan has worked alright so far.

That's the eternal question, dude. It's not really Man's place to ask.

Yes! ... but it is a wild and wonderful kind of a crazy!!!

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A depth of love that youth can seldom appreciate or communicate;
A love that never can die for it is a wild seed living inside us, and it is what it is;
Love: that which bonds the reality of one's being to the mystery of the unknown;
Wildflowers: evidence revealed."
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so i saw it yesterday.
i was VERY unimpressed.

it's nothing more than a handful of a dozen or so personal stories. well... you could find personal stories to support ANY agenda, if they're presented/assembled the right way.

again, crappy film-making, poor-research and no backup for statics, facts, or accusations. michael moore drives me up the fucking wall... because he has such a platform, and could REALLY change things -- but does such a shithouse job at researching and compromises the academic and political integrity of his projects for $$ earned the boxoffice. as, hardcore evaluative documentaries don't make money... but the crap Moore makes and packages as a "documentary" does makey money.. lots of money.

and i also think he's sortof a sleezebag as a person.

mostly, i hate him for being a shitty historian, an even worse researcher, a bad public speaker, and an inarticulate (yet pompous) dick with a personal agenda that isn't about liberalism, but about money. which is even sadder.

i WANT to like him though. i always LIKE his movie trailers and they seem so fucking promising... but, aren't.

freshman year i wrote a paper about Fahrenheit 9/11 and how poorly his research/fact checking/source citing was. he's notorious for this.

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That's the same problem I have with his movies. There's plenty of facts out there to support his views... but he can't be bothered or whatever.

Geez, you don't think he might be a fraud playing on your hatred of America to take your money do you?

Shocking! Just shocking!

I agree.

Long long ago, when I was in gradeschool, before the internet. before cable. before 24x7 "news", I have a vague memory of learning how to read a newspaper in 5th grade. Hard to believe, but it used to be a taught skill. Its how you *gasp* used to get news. I remember learning words like "slant" and "bias". Everything has some slant or bias. Its hard not to. Whats wrong with Micheal Moore is the same thing that is wrong with 60 minutes, Ann Coulter, and Fox News. To name just a few. Mix an extreme bias, play fast and loose with references and facts.. and its good entertainment.

I like his movies. Its good entertainment. Like anything else though, I wouldn't take what he says as the gospel truth.

And be careful that you are not leaving a out for your ego, and it's agent, the intellect, to discount truth as it is subtly revealed to you.

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Marerophilia:
A depth of love that youth can seldom appreciate or communicate;
A love that never can die for it is a wild seed living inside us, and it is what it is;
Love: that which bonds the reality of one's being to the mystery of the unknown;
Wildflowers: evidence revealed."
~~carefulcarpenter