I heard San Francisco has a public no-kill animal shelter and was wondering why more people don't demand their city shelters to do the same?

The Petans and the vegans are animal lovers yeah.., but these groups don't protest these shelters ...like the anti abortion freaks...but in a non violent way.... of course.

San Francisco is a great city...humane shelters..and great public transport/BART. How does this city manage to be so clean and efficient? I wouldn't ride the nyc subway alone at night..but Bart is so safe. Why can't more cities do this??

pretty much every big city has at least one I think. the problem is that there are not enough homes for all of the animals so eventually these shelters become crowded and they're expensive. Do you have any idea of the scale of the problem we're talking about?

& please don't get me started on what people in peta or vegans do to try and minimize the suffering of animals in the world, what is it that you do again?

let me guess... nothing?

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Actually...what do I don't do..I'm not rude to people on the internet.

and I actually am trying to find a no kill shelter for 3 cats, and let me tell you it is almost impossible.

So let's see what was my point....oh yeah, how come San Francisco can manage to have a no kill public animal shelter and so many other cities with financial resources/wealthy patrons ..can't or is it a mindset that refuses to even consider it?

I love how Peta has these sexy no fur ad campaigns, but hey how about trying to save the pets and little domesticated animals too..??

I'm rude to some people on the internet, you being one of them right now. I have no remorse for that either, but way to try and change the subject. So what is it you do for animals again? Besides trying to find a no kill shelter for these 3 cats, which is commendable. Why are you getting rid of them though?

San Francisco is extremely wealthy. It's not a mindset that won't allow it, again, do you have ANY IDEA the scope of the problem we're talking about?

It's not up to peta to take care of all of the animals' problems. If you find it so morally outrageous, do something about it yourself, otherwise get off their backs.

btw, I really don't care, but you actually were rude to me on the internet without realizing it. I'm a vegan and I resent your insinuation that because I don't try to solve all of the world's mistreatment of animals it somehow lessens my integrity or makes my concern for animals any less sincere.

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"I love how Peta has these sexy no fur ad campaigns, but hey how about trying to save the pets and little domesticated animals too..??"

They don't believe in domesticated animals, so I'm assuming if they had their way, cats and dogs and other animals that serve only as pets would be getting mass-euthanized.

There are two great no-kill options, no matter where you live: One is taking care of your own animals, the other is giving them away to people you know will take good care of them. The only way to go, really.

this is not true, it's just more mass hysteria whipped up around peta to keep people thinking they are a super crazy fringe element group. I'll admit that they contribute to the hysteria themselves and I am not a member for that and other reasons, but they are not opposed to domesticated animals.

this is a good point, but in reality it's hard to find people you know and trust to take animals though because there is no shortage of animals to be had. pretty much all of my friends/family have all of the animals they care to have.
plus, I'm giving SOG the benefit of the doubt here- that she (I think?) somehow rescued these kittens and/or came into possession of them without being one of those irresponsible pet owners who let her cat get knocked up or something like that.

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I just don't understand how ongoing mass euthanization is supposed to be a solution, a policy that communities are supposed to support?

Especially with all this interest in global warming and the climate...a green lifestyle.


I talked to someone who's friend was working at the LA animal shelter and she had to quit because they were just euthanizing so many animals. Apparently there's a high turnover of workers there, because nobody can really handle working there for long time. So if's unhealthy for humans to work there, why don't they try to change the system?

If San Francisco is wealthy, what about LA and NYC?
I talked to the SPCA in Los Angeles and they told me that they don't even have a contract with the city of LA anymore...and have shelters outside of LA. All these private shelters are filled up.

I just going back to San Francisco and how this city manages to be so efficient and progressive with policies...but then they also started the no smoking ban..so maybe too much gov control..haha.

haha i didn't let my cat get knocked up.

if anybody needs a cute white short-hair, 1 female and 1 male..both 4yrs old..blue eyes let me know..they're VERY CUTE.


it's just public officials not taking responsibilty for problems and not trying to solve them..low priority. because there is a lot of resources and money in these major metropolises..ughhhhhh.

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how are we going to stop global warming if we cant even save the kitties and puppies? huh?

see, here's the problem. you are asking why THEY don't do something to change the system instead of trying to make change yourself. If you wait around for the govt. to just do these things for you, they're never going to get done. In fact, Ingrid Newkirk, one of the co founders of peta started out this way- working in some capacity at an animal shelter. Maybe you're the next ingrid newkirk.

SF is a unique case because they have pretty much nothing but an extremely wealthy tax base plus huge tourism business. There are essentially no true ghettos in SF, all of the poor people have to live in oakland or elsewhere (or be homeless). That's not the case in any other major city that I know of. I'm pretty sure the no kill shelter here in Atlanta is privately run too. Of course these shelters are filled up, animal overpopulation is a huge problem. Believe me, if peta or other animal rights advocates saw a way to solve it, they would have set about it already. the only thing they can do at this point is advocate for spaying/neutering and deal with unwanted animals on a case by case basis.

I'm still waiting for you to respond to my other questions though. (e.g. why are you trying to get rid of cats in the first place?).

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i apologize to herekitty for being a peta-skeptic and not giving peta props?/support for their positive work in the community.

but ...



they could do more. like if I call the SPCA and they blow me off and tell me to call the city shelter..a kill shelter..that is just sooo wrong! if these nonprofits had a committment to creating a procedure/waiting list/appointment system for placing animals .....instead of just passing the buck and encouraging people to go to the kill shelters then maybe the kill shelters would not be in existence.

end of ranting..

well here kitty thanks for all the info and responding to the thread.

i got these cats from a neighbor who had to move and the landlord is making me get rid of some of the cats. the neighbor was an elderly cat lady. wow this is so much private info to give out on the internet...




ALSO it's expensive to euthanize these animals. like the death penalty. Investing funds in destructive practices. I heard the LA let the problem of overpopulation go on and on..also they don't make people pay to register animals..so maybe SF has tougher pet owner laws? ??


so it's kind of like a wealthy neighborhoods/society can afford to be humane..hmm. that's disturbing.

but that's just it- there is a system, at least in my city, but approximately 90,000 unwanted animals will still be euthanized in my city every year despite this system. The numbers are just too big. Every dedicated rescuer that I know of (and I know lots) is almost always taking care of more animals than they can handle. I was on the list of emails that comes from animal advocates who work for various organizations- animal shelters, animal advocacy groups, rescuers. Basically, the sole purpose of that list was to let people know that an animal was about to be killed at a shelter and someone needed to rescue it asap. I got about 30 emails a day (each one usually contained information about multiple animals), and this is just in my city, and just the animals that had come to the attention of the people who work at these places.

Where is kellygirl, she knows lots about this stuff too, she's an actual rescuer I think.
My point is there is more going on than meets the eye. It's just that only so much can be done.

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It's basically to do with the money involved in running them, as has been said. And I really hope PETA don't start protesting animal pounds, because frankly, they're all better than nothing. It's good that more and more people are getting their pets from animal shelters.

A lot of the non profit private no kill shelters seem to be run by
women. I think women in this society are encouraged to be less confrontational and aggressive...go with the flow caretakers.


but really 90,000 animals euthanized ..that's too much! ok in a case of overpopulation, but not acceptable on an ongoing basis.

if people demanded more accountability from city officials and policies..more investment. i mean some of these shelters are really tiny. small.

And give people the option to pay something to the public shelter, to keep the animal at least alive for a longer period of time. I heard that you can take the animal to the public shelter and if not adopted pick it up before euthanization and start the process again.

Why don't they just give the animals away for free? Like go in front of grocery store with a box that says "Free kittens" or "free puppies"

meh, it's a pretty typical story really, this kind of thing happens lots. I'm paranoid about giving out info on the internet but I wouldn't worry about anyone being able to identify you from what you've said here.

would you want to keep the cats if you could?

sort of but not really. with humans, they have to do it "humanely" and there are all sorts of expenses involved but with animals, they're not nearly as nice. I mean, they try to do it humanely but if an animal doesnt die right away, there aren't a bunch of witnesses around.
At any rate, it still costs less than lifetime care for an animal, which is essentially what they'd have to pay otherwise.

yes, it's not just this issue either. sometimes when people are worried about their own survival and where their next meal will come from, spending money on/worrying about anything that won't help them with their basic needs is a lot less important.

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there are two no-kill animal shelters in my town. I used to do voluntary work in one of them and the animals there were SO well looked after, it was just like a big happy farm and not many of the animals (mostly horses) were not re-homed, and just lived out their days in total sanctuary.

the thing is, if people weren't such bastards to animals there would be no need for animal shelters putting down animals to make room for more abused animals...

and about PETA, they are a bit rubbish really, they give animal rights protesters a very bad name so no one will listen to people who want a peaceful protest. If I mention I like animals, the first thing people say is "oh not one of those PETA freaks". But I am sure that people who join PETA really do care for animals, including pets.