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06-01-2007, 03:48 AM
|  | I'm Designer | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: The Netherlands
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| | | Bush Now Believes Global Warming Is Real Better late than never?!? WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush will unveil his alternative to the Kyoto agreement to combat global warming Thursday, offering businesses incentives to achieve an estimated 4.5 percent voluntary reduction in greenhouse gas emissions in the U.S. over 10 years and to reduce power plant emissions by the "largest amount" in U.S. history, according to a senior administration official.
The president's plan is dramatically lower than the estimated 33 percent reduction sought by the Kyoto agreement for the United States, the world's largest producer of greenhouse gas emissions. The Kyoto agreement, which called for the U.S. to reduce greenhouse gas emissions 7 percent below 1990 levels, required mandatory reductions, whereas the Bush plan would be voluntary.
The president's plan links the reduction of greenhouse gas emissions to economic output, calling for an 18 percent reduction in greenhouse gas intensity over 10 years. Greenhouse gas intensity is the ratio of greenhouse gas emissions and economic output. A senior administration official said this equates to a cut of emissions in the U.S. of roughly 4.5 percent over 10 years, which the official said is "on par" with what other countries are required to do under Kyoto.
"This new approach is based on the common sense idea that sustainable economic growth is the key to environmental progress -- because it is growth that provides the resources for investment in clean technologies," Bush is expected to say in remarks prepared for a Thursday address at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration in Silver Spring, Maryland. Equivalent of 70 million cars off the road
Administration officials said the president's plan will prevent at least 500 million metric tons of greenhouse gases from being emitted, or the equivalent of 70 million cars being taken off the road, roughly the same projections for the Kyoto agreement.
However, administration officials told CNN that if the United States can get the global community, including developing nations, to participate in the president's plan, then the actual reduction of greenhouse emissions would be larger than under Kyoto.
Bush rejected the Kyoto agreement, which 178 other nations accepted last year, because it exempted developing nations and large polluters such as India. Bush also charged it would harm the U.S. economy -- the White House says Kyoto would ultimately result in the loss of $400 billion to the U.S. economy and a loss of 4.9 million jobs.
The president faced tremendous criticism from environmental groups and U.S. allies, including Japan, for rejecting Kyoto. The Kyoto treaty was named after the Japanese city where the treaty was negotiated and signed.
The timing of Bush's announcement comes as he prepares to travel to Asia and the president wanted to unveil an alternative to Kyoto before the trip, with visits planned to Japan, South Korea and China.
"The president is very concerned about the effect Kyoto would have on America's workers, on American jobs and on the American economy, that it is not the right remedy to have a massive reduction below 1990 levels," said Ari Fleischer, White House press secretary.
"If that were to go into effect, it would have a screeching-halt effect on the economy and people would lose their jobs as a result. The president believes that we can have economic growth and environmental enhancement," Fleischer said. Greenhouse gas intensity
Bush's plan would cap power plant emissions of nitrogen oxides, sulfur dioxide and mercury at an unspecified level, and allow businesses which fall below the caps to sell credits to larger businesses so those businesses could meet the new guidelines.
White House aides would not reveal more details of this part of the president's plan but said Bush is calling for the "largest reduction of power plant emissions in U.S. history."
Bush will also call for the voluntary 18 percent cut in greenhouse gas intensity, the ratio of greenhouse gas emissions to economic output, over 10 years.
Bush's plan would lower the rate of emissions from an estimated 183 metric tons per million dollars of gross domestic product in 2002 to 151 metric tons per million dollars of GDP in 2012.
The president's plan will include incentives for businesses to invest in cleaner technology and other incentives for businesses to voluntarily reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
Bush will also call on Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham to develop a plan so that businesses that implement voluntary reductions of greenhouse gas emissions will not be penalized if climate policy is changed in the future.
"This provides the necessary guarantees to the private sector so it can pursue sensible greenhouse gas mitigation and sequestration strategies now, without the risk that future climate policy will penalize them and reward inaction by others," according to a White House fact sheet.
The fact sheet also says that if the United States does not meet its greenhouse gas goal by 2012 and "sound science justifies further policy action," the United States will respond with additional measures that may include other market-based reforms, incentives and voluntary measures.
Finally, Bush's plan includes $4.5 billion in his next year's budget for global climate change programs, a $700 million increase over this year's budget, according to the White House. This money includes the first year of funding for a five year, $4.6 billion program for tax credits for businesses pursuing renewable energy sources, the White House said. Source
Gotta love this.
First, America goes to Kyoto, negotiates an agreement, and then opts out.
And now this.
First off, no one here Europe ever lost a job because of Kyoto.
The economy went down world wide a couple of years ago, that had nothing to do with Kyoto.
America should have just signed Kyoto.
A voluntary thing is never good, make some rules and be done.
The time for talking is done, it's time for serious action. | 
06-01-2007, 04:12 AM
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| | | I think he had a revelation. Maybe Jesus farted on him in his sleep? Hi five Lord! | 
06-01-2007, 07:54 AM
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| | | gigantic ionospheric heater + lying to the people = Bush is a HOLOCAUSTAL MORON. | 
06-01-2007, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by longshot HOLOCAUSTAL | That's a word? As an English teacher it worries me that I have never heard it before.  I mean I get where it comes from and it's logical, but still... I let myself down some times.
__________________ Time is the distance that you can't return by miles.
I escaped somehow. Let's go actualy [sic] I have quite a blessed life if I'm honest. I have many people to love, hate few and have few money problem's [sic].... What more does a person need? Oh yeah and I have some kind of humbleness unlike you of course ^_^ ~ CarefulCarpenter | 
06-01-2007, 08:09 AM
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| | | There is no such thing as 'Global Warming', it is a spoiler perpetrated by the evil lizards that run the world so they can slip the real shit past us (BB, Beth Ditto, Peter Tatchell, Pablita the Down Home Ho.. etc) past us whilst we are all getting our knickers in a twist over a load of cow generated methane emmision.... Don't panic people....Everything is still within acceptable parameters....... Bush is a good man with fine friends..... | 
06-01-2007, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by bort That's a word? As an English teacher it worries me that I have never heard it before.  I mean I get where it comes from and it's logical, but still... I let myself down some times. | i know some post-Dada culture rejectors who use it "liberally". but to be objective, the heavily denied evidence that george bush made a great deal of his personal riches profitting from events that took place in auchwitz during the hitler regime. also the allegations that the BUSH family have a secret admiration for "eugenics." Holocaustal...you know, most of the words we use today, Bort, were created to serve needs. And as an English teacher, don't you find the proliferation of Hellenic and Latinate words sort of... ...it means something. ...it could be said to mean that Plato and Aristotle rule the planet -- not actually Bush or Cheney or any of the other nationalist "leaders" who are so famous, but Plato and Aristotle -- in their time they had Plutocracy and Aristocracy. It's not ALL Greek to me, but I wonder if you see what I mean. what's really disappointing is that no group of people have successfully found a way to think GWB out of the White House... | 
06-01-2007, 11:53 AM
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| | kittyradio: beaming powerful radioactive energy into the upper atmosphere. before you read this long and technical article: the short form. i am fried, i know a lot of other people may also be too fried to handle a long article:
the U.S. Gov't has been causing global warming ON PURPOSE with secret technology (paid for by all Americans whether or not they have known.)
they have been doing so with atmospheric heating technology and then denying that they do so. [Reprinted with permission of the Alaska Conservation Foundation, 750 West 2nd Ave, Suite 104, Anchorage, AK 99501 - (907) 27601917] HAARP Knock, Knock, Knocking on Heaven's Door A new research installation is beaming powerful radioactive energy into the upper atmosphere. Exploring conventional and exotic military uses of the air waves towards its goals. At a remote facility ringed with barbed wire, a brand-new array of 36 antennas rises from the black spruce forest that stretches hundreds of miles across central Alaska. Completed December 1994 and now undergoing testing, the antenna field is the visible part of a powerful and sophisticated high-frequency radio transmitter designed to transform areas of the upper atmosphere into the equivalent of huge lenses, mirrors, and antennas.
This little-known Pentagon-sponsored radiophysics project, called the High-Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP), is officially intended to expand knowledge about the nature of long-range radio communications and surveillance using the fluctuating ionosphere - the portion of the upper atmosphere extending from 35 to 500 miles above earth's surface. [see: Way Up in the Ionosphere]
According to program manager John L. Heckscher of the Phillips Laboratory at Hanscom AFB, Massachusetts, potential military applications of the HAARP research include developing Department of Defense technology for detecting cruise missiles and communicating with submarines. "Although HAARP is being managed by the Air Force and Navy, it is purely a scientific research facility that poses no threat to potential dversaries and has no value as a military target," he says.
But that's just the publicly announced part of the program. HAARP also has a secret agenda: pursuing more exotic military goals, such as locating deeply buried weapons factories thousands of miles away and even altering the local weather above an enemy's territory.
A 1990 internal document obtained by POPULAR SCIENCE says the program's overall goal is to "control ionospheric processes in such a way as to greatly improve the performance of military command, control, and communications systems." It provides a description of the following applications: Injecting high-frequency radio energy into the ionosphere to create huge, extremely low frequency (ELF) virtual antennas used for earth-penetrating tomography peering deep beneath the surface of the ground by collecting and analyzing reflected ELF waves beamed down from above. Heating regions of the lower and upper ionosphere to form virtual "lertses" and "mirrors" that can reflect a broad range of radio frequencies far over the horizon to detect stealthy cruise missiles and aircraft. Generating ELF radio waves in the ionosphere to communicate across large distances with deeply submerged submarines. And, patent documents filed during an earlier research effort that evolved into the HAARP program outline further military applications of ionospheric-heating technology: Creating a "full global shield" that would destroy ballistic missiles by overheating their electronic guidance systems as they fly through a powerful radio-energy field. Distinguishing nuclear warheads from decoys by sensing their elemental composition. Manipulating local weather. When the full HAARP facility is constructed, it will include several sensing and analysis systems. At its heart is the antenna field, which now is a demonstration version of a larger planned array named the ionospheric research instrument (IRI), which will include 360 antennas. The IRI is designed to temporarily modify 30-mile diameter patches of the upper atmosphere by excit ing, or "heating," their constituent electrons and ions with focused beams of powerful, highfrequency radio energy.(italics added -- longshot) A household analogy would be a microwave oven, which heats dinner by exciting the food's water molecules with microwave energy.
Earth-penetrating tomography is a startling potential use of ionospheric heating. The method would work by beaming radio energy into the Auroral electrojet, the curved, charged-particle stream formed at high latitudes where the solar wind interacts with Earth's magnetic field. The radio energy then disperses over large areas through ductlike regions of the ionosphere, forming a virtual antenna that can be thousands of miles in length.
Such an extra low frequency antenna can emit waves penetrating as deeply as several kilometers into the ground, depending on the geological makeup and subsurface water conditions in a targeted area. Aircraft or satellites stationed overhead would then collect the reflected extra low frequency waves and relay them to computers at a processing station, where subsurface inhomogeneities that trace the outlines of structures suchas underground weapons facilities can be imaged. North Korea and Iraq, where buried nuclear weapons labs are believed to exist, would be prime candidates for earth-penetrating tomography surveillance. Virtual lenses and mirrors will be generated in the ionosphere, if the IRI works as intended. By precisely warming a patch of the lower ionosphere the IRI reduces its density relative to the surrounding atmosphere. An " ionospheric lens" thus formed can in turn focus a radio beam into the upper ionosphere [see drawing].
Normally, most high-frequency radio waves broadcast from the ground are absorbed or scattered in the lower ionosphere, and few of them reach such high altitudes. | 
06-01-2007, 12:03 PM
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| | | willhelm reich will save us
__________________ they made soup out of my research turtles. | 
06-01-2007, 12:06 PM
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| | | Freedom means being free to ignore what's going on. see: conspiracies of this depth work by way of DECEPTION. if you have been successfully DECIEVED/tricked/BRAINWASHED you will say "Bullshit. There's no WAY that our Government would be warming the globe on purpose. It wouldn't be allowed...this is just another hackneyed conspiracy theory." that's the method by which so many can be decieved by a small number of people. another level to it are those who KNOW that it's happening and stupidly, shortsightedly get on board and join in the deception. They might react with more nasty venomous behavior -- like accusing the person pointing out the problem of being some sort of trouble maker, some sort of enemy of the government implicated, -- trying to take focus off of the problem. that will in NO WAY work on me anymore, because too many people have tried it - i am 100% immune to that sort of tactic. What is going on is simple: the United States Government -- taking cues from Ronald Wilson Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative or "Star Wars" program have been heating the ionosphere, and thus, the entire planet, on purpose. their hope is that people will say "there's no way that our government would do something so destructively stupid." they further hope that no one will think of any intelligent way of reacting to stop it. they hope that people like Al Gore will overlook HAARP and HIPAS as causes of Global Warming. more than the sun, more than cow farts in Vermont and Texas, more than automobiles, the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program and other high power (as in terawattage) microwave emitters are focused on the lower atmosphere -- to serve as ionospheric heaters. also, they hope that that average citizens will assume they don't have the brains to understand that - and will just give up, and assume that "we're all doomed anyway" or "everything will be okay, Jeezis will come down on a white cloud and we won't have to do anything to save ourselves." these combinations of factors are HOW a man "smart" enough to FALL OFF OF A FUCKING SEGWAY, THE THING THAT DOESN'T FALL OVER can manage to not only steal an election but remain in office - in SPITE of being the president who has had impeachment suggested more than any other. i mean, you can call it a "theory" if you want to lapse back into falsely comfortable denial. But that's not really comfy, is it? And in your heart, you know what I am getting at is basically...politically correct. Freedom means being free to ignore what's going on. | 
06-02-2007, 12:39 PM
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| | | i fucking hate the conspiracy theorists' version of that old christian trick: the devil's greatest weapon is for you not to believe in him
__________________ they made soup out of my research turtles. | 
06-02-2007, 12:46 PM
|  | Phil Goff | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Westport, New Zealand
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Originally Posted by kesh willhelm reich will save us | I hid my yo-yo
In the garden.
I can't hide you
From the government.
Oh, God, Daddy--
I won't forget,
__________________ Time is the distance that you can't return by miles.
I escaped somehow. Let's go actualy [sic] I have quite a blessed life if I'm honest. I have many people to love, hate few and have few money problem's [sic].... What more does a person need? Oh yeah and I have some kind of humbleness unlike you of course ^_^ ~ CarefulCarpenter | 
06-02-2007, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by longshot see: conspiracies of this depth work by way of DECEPTION. if you have been successfully DECIEVED/tricked/BRAINWASHED you will say "Bullshit. There's no WAY that our Government would be warming the globe on purpose. It wouldn't be allowed...this is just another hackneyed conspiracy theory." that's the method by which so many can be decieved by a small number of people. another level to it are those who KNOW that it's happening and stupidly, shortsightedly get on board and join in the deception. They might react with more nasty venomous behavior -- like accusing the person pointing out the problem of being some sort of trouble maker, some sort of enemy of the government implicated, -- trying to take focus off of the problem. that will in NO WAY work on me anymore, because too many people have tried it - i am 100% immune to that sort of tactic. What is going on is simple: the United States Government -- taking cues from Ronald Wilson Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative or "Star Wars" program have been heating the ionosphere, and thus, the entire planet, on purpose. their hope is that people will say "there's no way that our government would do something so destructively stupid." they further hope that no one will think of any intelligent way of reacting to stop it. they hope that people like Al Gore will overlook HAARP and HIPAS as causes of Global Warming. more than the sun, more than cow farts in Vermont and Texas, more than automobiles, the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program and other high power (as in terawattage) microwave emitters are focused on the lower atmosphere -- to serve as ionospheric heaters. also, they hope that that average citizens will assume they don't have the brains to understand that - and will just give up, and assume that "we're all doomed anyway" or "everything will be okay, Jeezis will come down on a white cloud and we won't have to do anything to save ourselves." these combinations of factors are HOW a man "smart" enough to FALL OFF OF A FUCKING SEGWAY, THE THING THAT DOESN'T FALL OVER can manage to not only steal an election but remain in office - in SPITE of being the president who has had impeachment suggested more than any other. i mean, you can call it a "theory" if you want to lapse back into falsely comfortable denial. But that's not really comfy, is it? And in your heart, you know what I am getting at is basically...politically correct. Freedom means being free to ignore what's going on. | Sort your font out, it's designed to give me a headache and makes your posts unreadable | 
06-03-2007, 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by kesh i fucking hate the conspiracy theorists' version of that old christian trick: the devil's greatest weapon is for you not to believe in him | Thus proving the Devil and all conspiracy theories are right.
No, hear me out: conspiracy theories almost inevitably use convoluted "logic" to make themselves impossible to disprove. They're essentially not sciences, but religions.
And are you going to seriously tell someone their religion is wrong? That's like racism or something! | 
06-03-2007, 05:45 AM
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| | | Oh dear... Shes off again.... | 
06-03-2007, 05:52 AM
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these combinations of factors are HOW a man "smart" enough to FALL OFF OF A FUCKING SEGWAY, THE THING THAT DOESN'T FALL OVER can manage to not only steal an election but remain in office - in SPITE of being the president who has had impeachment suggested more than any other.
| This is funny just because of how totally irrelevant it is. We go from HAARP to OMG GEORGE BUSH IS TEH STUPID in the space of a paragraph. Nice going. | 
07-21-2007, 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Tomsk Sort your font out, it's designed to give me a headache and makes your posts unreadable | i did it on purpose.
what really brings me joy is how many of the people who reddotted me for it (a sign of hole original cred) are safely on my ignore list, where their whine is at a dull DULL roar...i wanted to annoy them. until they go away, hopefully.)_ | 
07-21-2007, 09:40 PM
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