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Originally Posted by HighClassHo  breeder??? that is so retarded. I think gays making fun of that is just an outlet of their frustration for not being able to have children. |
Making light of your frustrations vs. getting upset about them? I think it's true to a very small degree, but most gay guys I know don't even wnat children. I think it's significant though that a lot of the stock answers to philosophical question seem to come down to the idea of furthering the species as a goal, and that a lot of our culture seems geared towards that (look at the property ladder, for example). I think that can be frustrating to a lot of gay people, but I wouldn't call making fun of that "retarded". It's a way of dealing with it which doesn't involve moping about it.
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Originally Posted by HighClassHo I was at a party on Saturday, the only gay guy in the room(as usual, the never ending loneliness that makes me want to die), anyway, the topic of sex came up, and I heard the most retarded and ****phobic comments in my life that day. I didn't feel like I was in 2007, I felt I was in 1957 and I felt so surprised at how little the world has evolved. |
Well, the numbers mean this is something you'll have to deal with eventually. But by the same numbers, it's quite possible if it was a big party that you
weren't the only one. Did you feel unable to join the conversation because of your sexuality? I'm just curious. Some people might say you shouldn't "ram it down people's throats", but you should at least be able to join the conversation. I still recommend being a bit tolerant of someone's predjudices, because we are after all all different. But you shouldn't just put up with it if it makes you feel upset - you either need to get your friends to stop, or find your own way of dealing with it. Because at the moment, it doesn't seem that you're dealing with it.
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Originally Posted by HighClassHo A mother****er even went as far as saying that absolutely everything was valid in a bedroom between a man and a woman but that he didn't understand or agree with guys sleeping together. He was basically saying that if you like to have anal sex you shouldn't do it with a guy, you should have your girlfriend or your wife to **** you. I don't know what his point was because it was so much bull**** but he eventually didn't understand the simple concept of taste, he didn't understand that it's not just about anal sex or whatever, it's about liking men, the taste of it, the feeling wich I'm sure is totally different from the feel of a woman. He didn't understand |
Maybe you could explain to him that being gay and wanting to have anal sex are pretty unrelated, which is why so many straight guys play around with their buttholes, and why quite a lot of gays (myself included) don't have anal sex. I think it's hard for some people to understand that penetrative sex isn't the primary reason for two people being together. They can't understand that you're with a guy because you're attracted to
him, not just what he can do to you sexually.
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Originally Posted by HighClassHo There was this other guy who said something like "regrettably being gay is genetic" like it was some sort of deformity or aberration, and he would look at me with so much contempt. The funny thing is that he was UGLY AS HELL, I thought he was mentally retarded just by the way he looked, and I got a very closeted self loathing vibe from him. |
Um... well, ignoring the last part, I think this is something we need to get away from, a mistake that was made with the best intentions in the name of creating tolerance more than understanding or acceptance. OK, so broadly speaking, ****sexuality is not a choice for most people. But so what if it was? By allowing people to say "it's okay for you to be gay, because you can't help it", we're allowing them to damn the idea. I guess you'd call it "hating the sin, not the sinner", and therein lies the problem: it's still seen as "the sin". I feel we need to move away from the idea that ****sexuality is a curse on a few poor individuals. I guess the only way to do this is get a few people to say "I chose to be gay, and it's awesome", or maybe something a bit cleverer than that. Eitherway, I want a world where there's no stigma attached to it at all, not just where it's treated like a disability and that some people want a cookie because they're more tolerant of it than others.
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Originally Posted by HighClassHo I felt happy to be gay, because it meant that I'm not part of such garbage. Later I saw the first guy making out with his girlfriend(a friend of mine) and I realized that the only reason why I can't do that in public is because straight s***bags like them don't want me to. THEY DON'T WANT ME TO. And they have no right. And it was painful to see close friends saying ****phobic remarks and they now I'm gay, but they don't see it, I'm a second class citizen and I don't have their rights, I don't exist so why would they care???? |
Nah, you can do it. You'd actually be surprised, we're made to feel like we can't do it, and yeah, sometimes in certain company it's not a good idea even though we
should be able to. But most people aren't that bothered. Not that I think making out in public is particularly classy.
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Originally Posted by HighClassHo it all depends on what you want from life. If you are a gay man and you don't mind living as a second class citizen and you find gay rights a mockery(like lots of gays do) then that's ok, it's your prerrogative. But that also means you suck and should be burned at the stake for being such a pathetic hedonistic waste of space.
I don't want to be like that, I don't want to live like a second class citizen so I'll try to change it. I'll walk the gay pride, unlike most gays in my country who would rather celebrate it going to seedy clubs hiding away from life and society. **** YOU MAN. |
Right on. So... what are you going to do about it?
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