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Old 03-21-2007, 11:17 PM
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Help me decide if I am pro choice or pro life

I am confused.
Pro Choice
Everyone has the right to their body.
If something is living inside of you and you don't want it there, you should remove it.
If abortions are illegal, women still do it. It will just be dangerous.
A fetus does'nt have feelings?
banning abortion is a christians way of fighting sexuality.

Pro life
Abortion is just not natural.
Does a fetus have feelings?
If so then killing is not ethical in any situation (except self defense, the baby wont kill you)
If the fetus is a baby, then why dont shouldnt you kill your 1 year old?

In the middle
Some methods used are gruesome, these methods should be outlawed and maybe the more humane ways should be used.
I think there should be a certain stage where abortion should be illegal, where the fetus has grown enough to feel for sure.

I am open to ideas and thoughts, as I said I am confused.
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Old 03-21-2007, 11:43 PM
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Do you eat meat?

... hardly anything we do these days is natural.
Abortion is illegal after a certain amount of weeks (in Australia anyway)
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Old 03-21-2007, 11:53 PM
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personally i think its beyond child abuse to bring a poor little baby into this world
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Old 03-22-2007, 12:11 AM
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personally i think its beyond child abuse to bring a poor little baby into this world
Yeah.. I am not pro-life/pro-choice.. I am pro-abortion I think.
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personally i think its beyond child abuse to bring a poor little baby into this world
I agree
Honestly, it really depends upon the situation.
If abortion was made legal, then allot more sluts would become about 400000 times easier

I'm not sure where i stand either. I'm more on the Pro Choice side, but I'm not sure
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Old 03-22-2007, 01:54 AM
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If you're pro-choice, you can still choose not to have an abortion. You don't get to moralise at great length and lump rape victims together with some imaginary group of people who get together to have an abortion every Sunday morning for a laugh and then masturbate each other with crucifixes, but it's still nice.
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Old 03-22-2007, 03:28 AM
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Honestly, I see your point. This is pretty much a difficult situation for a lot of people. I'm not a woman so I don't think that my voice really counts here - but I will give you, perhaps, some related advice that might help to clear the way in helping you to find your position on this topic.

Abortion has many faces. To many, it's a right to choose, a right to make a choice about one's body - and to others, it's a living being growing inside of you. Is it right to stop the cycle and abort it? It is wrong to end that life - no matter how minuscule or minute it is (after all, amoebas are still alive - aren't they)? There are lots of people that say that if you don't want to take the chance of having kids, you shouldn't be having sex - and to me, that makes a lot of sense. But there's more to it than practicality, really.

Much like Ophiel said, you don't have to choose to have an abortion if you are pro-choice. I know many people that are pro-life and hold that stance up until there's a chance of the mother dying or it causing serious injury - or if the fetus is going to mature with a deformity. There are lots of ifs and in fact, really, you don't even have to label yourself. The most important thing in your situation is to decide the answers to these questions (these questions aren't for others to answer or opinion on - this is for you to think about and look within yourself to find):


- What constitutes life and what is life's smallest form?

- What do you think your faith (if you don't have one, consider your personal philosophy) has to say about the situation - not what the church/temple/mosque/congregation/grove/et al. believes socially, but what you really think the underlying belief tells you or insinuates.

- Based on your previous answers, do you believe that abortion is ending a life?

- Would you ever have an abortion yourself if put into the situation? If so, under what circumstances?

- What limits would you put on abortion if you could (based on your previous considerations)? Three per life-time? Have one and then require a hysterectomy? Abort at will?

- What are the positive effects of aborting?

- Finally, what are the negative effects of aborting?


I realize that you may have considered all of this to some extent already, but really - think through these questions. Go read a couple of articles on how abortions are performed - one by pro-lifers, and one by pro-choicers. You may already know how they are performed but chances are, if you go read these articles, you're going to be swayed one way or another. If you think through these articles and read through these questions and come up with serious, concrete answers - you'll clearly have your bearings.

I will say that I am pro-choice with a few reservations - but then again, I really don't think it's up to me to make that choice broadly since I am male. I don't have to deal with fetuses, I don't have to deal with pregnancy, and I don't have to deal with any of the side effects. I am gay and I do not really want children of my own. I do enjoy being around children sometimes and I enjoy teaching and interacting with children. You, however, may be different - and I'm counting on that. If you're curious: if it came up for a vote, I would (as a voter), vote pro-choice.

This isn't something that someone can really TELL you how you feel or what you think. The answer is inside of you and you are the only one that has the answer. My whole reply might seem a bit "fantasical" or "corny", but this really is a very serious issue and it really does take soul-searching to find your true opinion. I can tell you, if you're interested, some portion of my personal philosophy as it relates to the situation - but really, your position is all up to you. And you alone.

Good luck on your quest.

Let us know how it goes.
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Old 03-22-2007, 04:01 AM
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Old 03-22-2007, 04:48 AM
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there is no right or wrong. the world is gray, it should be a choice made by the individual not a fucking law like so many things.
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Old 03-22-2007, 05:01 AM
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Im kinda for the no abortion after 6 weeks type gal. If you gonna do it, do it as early as you can and dont be so gross as to leave it grow a little bit longer so there's an actual big head to smush. Though I can sympathise with girls not making that deadline here when you gotta travel all the way to fucking ENGLAND to have it done!
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Old 03-22-2007, 05:18 AM
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you're pro-choice.

why would you wanna deny people the right to make their own minds up?
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Old 03-22-2007, 06:16 AM
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I hate abortions. I personally think that no matter how short the pregnancy is, it's still a living being inside of you. Fetus'... I just cringe at the thought that I was in that sittuation once. I was that tiny, that undeveloped and vunrable. And i grew into the person i am now. To me, a fetus is still a life just waiting to expand. It would be terrible if i got pregnant now. I am no way old enough and matture enough to have a baby. But I know that if i did become pregnant, i doubt I could go through with an abortion. Just knowing i'm responsible for making a life then choosing to let it die, it freaks me out. It deserves a chance. Not just that.. and this is a silly thing to say because i'm only seventeen.. but it's not just a life. It's a life combined from myself and the person i love more than anyone in the world. I couldn't stand the thought of aborting something that is a mixture of my boyfriend and I.

However, dispite all these passionate feelings against abortion, i see why it's appropiate in alot of sittuations. For example. My cousin kellie became pregnant at fifteen. She kept her child and is the worst mother i know. And i don't speak to her anymore because i hate the way she treats her child. She's no mother. She discusts me. She's got this precious little baby and all she cares about is herself.

Then i have another cousin, kim. Who accidently became pregnant at sixteen and abortion was the right choice for her. She has moved on in life, she's doing well.

I can see abortion is the right answer for people, and i respect their views and reasons for why they did it.

But I personally would not have an abortion myself. I just feel a fetus is a life, however small it is.
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But I personally would not have an abortion myself. I just feel a fetus is a life, however small it is.
I hear that in China, that the 9 months in the womb is counted as a "year" and when you are born you are 1 year old, and on your first birthday after, you are 2 years old. Doesnt that make you feel fuzzy inside?
I told my dad and he said he didnt like that idea at all and that he was disgusted! lol!!!
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yesss that does make me feel fuzzy inside. see i don't agree with the chinese way of doing things.... on your first birthday you are ONE not two...
but i generally think that once your pregnant, your child's life has started already. And thats why i couldn't go through with it.
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then again? if i got pregnant at the age i am now, maybe my mind would change? but i doubt it. god i hope i dont get pregnant yet.
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personally i think its beyond child abuse to bring a poor little baby into this world
I agree totally!
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If abortion was made legal,
Um, it is legal in the USA. Even in Alabama.
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Um, it is legal in the USA. Even in Alabama.
She's going to Catholic school there.
I can imagine they dont want her to know that
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