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Old 03-16-2007, 02:06 PM
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S.C. bill would make women see ultrasound before abortion

S.C. lawmakers weigh abortion bill By SEANNA ADCOX, Associated Press Writer
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COLUMBIA, S.C. - Women seeking abortions in South Carolina would be required to view an ultrasound image of their fetus before the procedure under a proposal gaining support from lawmakers. If enacted, it would be the first law of its kind in the nation.

Some states make ultrasound images available to women before an abortion, but South Carolina would be alone in mandating that women see the pictures.

Proponents say women would change their minds after seeing an ultrasound and choose instead to keep the child or offer it for adoption.

To reduce abortions, women need "as much background as possible when they're making decisions," said Oran Smith, president of the Palmetto Family Council, the state affiliate of Focus on the Family.

Critics consider the proposal a tool to intimidate women who already have made an agonizing decision.

"The women of South Carolina would rather talk to their doctor about information they need to make private, personal medical decisions. This is not a place for interference by politicians," said Nancy Keenan, president of NARAL Pro-Choice America.

The bill's chief sponsor, Rep. Greg Delleney, considers the bill a natural addition to the state's informed-consent law, which requires that women be told about fetal development and offered alternatives to abortion. The law requires a woman to have at least an hour to think about the information before ending her pregnancy.

Marie Connelly of Columbia, who had an abortion more than four years ago, said she now wishes she could have seen an ultrasound of her fetus before undergoing the procedure. She said she recently went back to the clinic to get "the only picture I will have of my child."

"This legislation will serve as one last chance for those women who, like myself, unknowingly choose against their better judgment," said Connelly, a director at the family council. "More women will not have to bear the relentless heartache knowing they will never be able to hug their lost child."

Similar legislation has arisen across the nation over the last few years as states try to strengthen abortion-counseling requirements, said Elizabeth Nash, a public policy associate at the Guttmacher Institute, a nonprofit research center on sexual and reproductive health.

At least seven states have laws concerning abortions and ultrasounds. For example, women in Oklahoma, Utah and Wisconsin must be told an ultrasound is available. In Arkansas and Michigan, if an ultrasound is performed, women must be given the opportunity to view it.

Ten other states are considering similar legislation. Mississippi is reviewing a proposal that would allow women to listen to a fetal heartbeat in addition to seeing the ultrasound image.

Delleney's proposal would require patients to certify in writing that they viewed the ultrasound.

Democratic state Rep. Gilda Cobb-Hunter plans to lead the fight against the legislation when it comes up for debate later this month in the GOP-dominated House. But she said she expects the legislation to pass because even lawmakers who don't like the bill will be afraid to vote against it.

The measure has picked up 20 co-sponsors in the House. A matching bill in the Senate remains in a committee.

Lindsay Siler, a spokeswoman for Planned Parenthood Health Systems in Raleigh, N.C., said if legislators want to reduce abortions, they should focus on preventing unintended pregnancies.

"Women are intelligent and thoughtful human beings who would not go forward if they did not think this was in their best interest," Siler said. "This bill is nothing more than politically driven. It's unnecessary and an attempt to restrict abortion by scaring and intimidating women."


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Old 03-16-2007, 03:18 PM
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'Lindsay Siler, a spokeswoman for Planned Parenthood Health Systems in Raleigh, N.C., said if legislators want to reduce abortions, they should focus on preventing unintended pregnancies.

"Women are intelligent and thoughtful human beings who would not go forward if they did not think this was in their best interest," Siler said. "This bill is nothing more than politically driven. It's unnecessary and an attempt to restrict abortion by scaring and intimidating women."'

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And while you wait for your abortion, they'll probably be showing you a short film, just to pass the time. DID YOU KNOW THAT YOUR TOTALLY ALIVE BABY SCREAMS OUT "MAMA NOOOOO" WHEN YOU MURDER IT TO DEATH?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!


In case my sarcasm didn't come across there, this shit is fucking retarded, and thus will probably go through. And yes, it probably will open the floodgates for a load more moralising cuntshit.
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Anti abortionists sure like to waste people's time.
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Old 03-16-2007, 03:25 PM
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At the risk of politicising this further, would these people have expected George Dubya to visit Iraq or Afghanistan before he had them bombed? Or even be able to point them out on a map?
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At the risk of politicising this further, would these people have expected George Dubya to visit Iraq or Afghanistan before he had them bombed? Or even be able to point them out on a map?
Of course not. Most anti abortionists support Bush's war in Iraq.
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so they are trying to guilt trip these women into having a child they will resent? christians are evil.
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Do you think women who choose an abortion would go to a clinic if they had real doubts, the kind that would be changed by seeing a picture? Who does this benefit? Self satisfied smirks of "we are gonna make you feel guilty as shit" of the nurses?
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There's a certain amount of cyclic logic - "if you still want an abortion you obviously haven't thought about it hard enough or seen enough shocking photoshopped pictures" - at work here. These people are no better than McCarthyists. They'd torture women into giving birth if they were allowed.

Women's right to abort threatens the social structure that keeps them rich. They need a massive birth rate, otherwise there might be enough to go around.
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They'd torture women into giving birth if they were allowed.
Sounds like Romania in the 80s.
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Critics consider the proposal a tool to intimidate women who already have made an agonizing decision.
that's exactly what this is.

and furthermore, no one should be asking focus on the family for political advice.
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And while you wait for your abortion, they'll probably be showing you a short film, just to pass the time. DID YOU KNOW THAT YOUR TOTALLY ALIVE BABY SCREAMS OUT "MAMA NOOOOO" WHEN YOU MURDER IT TO DEATH?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!


In case my sarcasm didn't come across there, this shit is fucking retarded, and thus will probably go through. And yes, it probably will open the floodgates for a load more moralising cuntshit.

Yep, crap goes through. I wish it wasn't happening in the State i'm moving to. I'm Christian, but I'm not pro-life (and I don't think Jesus would be either).
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I live in SC and this really irks me. Its kinda reminds me of those church groups who are anti-abortion and have set up shop right beside abortion clinics so women accidentally walk in and get somehow talked out of "murdering" their unborn child.
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This is pathetic. Women shouldn't have to put up with this. If they don't want a baby, why the fuck should they have to look it?
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This is pathetic. Women shouldn't have to put up with this. If they don't want a baby, why the fuck should they have to look it?
Your error here is assuming that the people who want this bill to be passed use any sort of logic or thinking, or that they care about women or what they have to put up with. unfortunately people like this are in power in lots of places in the US right now.
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I can only really express my thoughts on this bill with a smiley tonight:
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this is about guilt and intimidation.
the focus for reducing the number of abortions should be on contracpetive education.
but no, the usa loooooves absitence only.
guess they want to have their cake and eat it too.
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One thing though, abortion can't be done after as certain amount of weeks right?
In the proper time frame for an abortion, the "baby" isn't even a baby, it's a freakin' bean/blob shaped fetus.
Why would a woman change her mind after looking at a picture of a bean/blob shaped fetus?
Isn't this an abnormal waste of money and time?
And what scares me most, is that our new government is made up of one democratic party and TWO Christian/republican parties.
I'm afraid we'll be getting these rules too, they've already started altering things in our abortion law, a longer mandatory time to think about if you want an abortion or not.
This sucks, and I hope none of our Christian government parties hear about this.
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"a longer mandatory time to think about if you want an abortion or not."

It starts with stuff like that, stuff that you can't really argue against - it makes sense to make sure people are sure in a situation where there's no turning back - and then they can argue that it's logical to go down more drastic roots. The pro-choicers really need to make the effort to sort this stuff out. I don't believe that you're totally powerless there.
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