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03-13-2007, 12:23 AM
|  | Occam's chainsaw | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: goin down in a blaze of glory
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| | | How do you define 'hypocrite'?
Newt Gingrich thinks he isn't one, but I can't think of a better example at the moment. huge hypocrite Gingrich admits to extramarital affair Quote:
By BEN EVANS, Associated Press Writer Fri Mar 9, 3:48 PM ET
WASHINGTON - Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich acknowledged he was having an extramarital affair even as he led the charge against
President Clinton over the Monica Lewinsky affair, he acknowledged in an interview with a conservative Christian group.
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"The honest answer is yes," Gingrich, a potential 2008 Republican presidential candidate, said in an interview with Focus on the Family founder James Dobson to be aired Friday, according to a transcript provided to The Associated Press. "There are times that I have fallen short of my own standards. There's certainly times when I've fallen short of God's standards."
Gingrich argued in the interview, however, that he should not be viewed as a hypocrite for pursuing Clinton's infidelity.
"The president of the United States got in trouble for committing a felony in front of a sitting federal judge," the former Georgia congressman said of Clinton's 1998 House impeachment on perjury and obstruction of justice charges. "I drew a line in my mind that said, 'Even though I run the risk of being deeply embarrassed, and even though at a purely personal level I am not rendering judgment on another human being, as a leader of the government trying to uphold the rule of law, I have no choice except to move forward and say that you cannot accept ... perjury in your highest officials."
Widely considered a mastermind of the Republican revolution that swept Congress in the 1994 elections, Gingrich remains wildly popular among many conservatives. He has repeatedly placed near the top of Republican presidential polls recently, even though he has not formed a campaign.
Gingrich has said he is waiting to see how the Republican field shapes up before deciding in the fall whether to run.
Reports of extramarital affairs have dogged him for years as a result of two messy divorces, but he has refused to discuss them publicly.
Gingrich, who frequently campaigned on family values issues, divorced his second wife, Marianne, in 2000 after his attorneys acknowledged Gingrich's relationship with his current wife, Callista Bisek, a former congressional aide more than 20 years younger than he is.
His first marriage, to his former high school geometry teacher, Jackie Battley, ended in divorce in 1981. Although Gingrich has said he doesn't remember it, Battley has said Gingrich discussed divorce terms with her while she was recuperating in the hospital from cancer surgery.
Gingrich married Marianne months after the divorce.
"There were times when I was praying and when I felt I was doing things that were wrong. But I was still doing them," he said in the interview. "I look back on those as periods of weakness and periods that I'm ... not proud of."
Gingrich's congressional career ended in 1998 when he abruptly resigned from Congress after poor showings from Republicans in elections and after being reprimanded by the House ethics panel over charges that he used tax-exempt funding to advance his political goals.
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03-13-2007, 12:25 AM
|  | Phil Goff | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Westport, New Zealand
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| | | Yes, that is fairly hypocritical. He and Al G can get together and have a big hypocrisy parade.
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03-13-2007, 12:25 AM
| | Occam's chainsaw | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: goin down in a blaze of glory
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Originally Posted by bort  Yes, that is fairly hypocritical. He and Al G can get together and have a big hypocrisy parade. | Al Green?  |
03-13-2007, 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by herekitty Al Green? | Him too. Not as hypocritical as Porn Again Fagvangelist Little Richard, but I just bet he's up there somewhere.
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03-13-2007, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by bort Him too. Not as hypocritical as Porn Again Fagvangelist Little Richard, but I just bet he's up there somewhere. | Seriously though- I have my own reasons why I think Al Gore is a hypocrite, but I'm curious to hear what you had in mind? |
03-13-2007, 09:41 AM
|  | Chairman~MouseyTongue | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Chairman Meow
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| | | I went to an enviornmentalist conference two weeks ago and a memeber of our green party said that Al Gore didnt give a shit about the enviornment when he met up with him in the 90s, until fairly recent years. It was just convenient for him to jump on that particular bandwagon. And we all know his mansion uses more electricity and gas in one month than an average household does in one year. Cut down, switch off my ass. |
03-13-2007, 09:44 AM
| | Occam's chainsaw | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: goin down in a blaze of glory
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Originally Posted by BleedingHeart And we all know his mansion uses more electricity and gas in one month than an average household does in one year. Cut down, switch off my ass. | this is what I was thinking, among other things. I wondered if that's what bort meant as well or if he had some other info that I would like to hear about.  |
03-13-2007, 09:45 AM
|  | for beauty douglas | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: i am the cheese
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Originally Posted by BleedingHeart I went to an enviornmentalist conference two weeks ago and a memeber of our green party said that Al Gore didnt give a shit about the enviornment when he met up with him in the 90s, until fairly recent years. It was just convenient for him to jump on that particular bandwagon. And we all know his mansion uses more electricity and gas in one month than an average household does in one year. Cut down, switch off my ass. | plus when he speaks it's pure methane emissions |
03-13-2007, 01:03 PM
|  | grace and class | | Join Date: May 2006 Location: unaffiliated
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| | | I agree Gingrich is a hypocrite, but I think you have to be careful to examine someone's true motives before labeling them as such. Obviously he was engaging in the same behaviour while criticizing someone else for it. However, if someone has done something in the past and truly regrets it I don't think it would be fair to say they are hypocritical, just that they have learned from their mistakes and grown from them. |
03-13-2007, 01:06 PM
|  | the war within | | Join Date: Apr 2006
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| | | Simple. Hypocrites lack integrity.
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03-13-2007, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by strawberry julius I don't think it would be fair to say they are hypocritical, just that they have learned from their mistakes and grown from them. | But it would be fair to say he was hypocritical, surely.
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03-13-2007, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Mambo But it would be fair to say he was hypocritical, surely. | Yes. I was just trying to differentiate between someone who thinks they are above their own criticism and someone who has honestly made a mistake and would no longer practice the same behavior. I'm not sure I'm putting it into words very well, though. |
03-13-2007, 03:06 PM
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| | | I see his point. He's saying that Clinton lied about his affair in court, and that's why it was bad, whereas he didn't.
Not that I don't think it's douchey, but hey. |
03-13-2007, 03:15 PM
|  | Woman Talking to Death | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Brooklyn
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| | Would you like to take a guess as to how prominent he was in insisting that it was absolutely, positively, cross-my-heart-and-hope-to-die, vitally important to the nation's future that Clinton be asked this quote under oath in the first place? 
(I realize you probably know)
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03-13-2007, 03:18 PM
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| | Selective memory is pretty much the primary skill in politics  |
03-13-2007, 11:24 PM
| | Phil Goff | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Westport, New Zealand
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| | | WAIT!
Unlike Clinton, at least Newt never lied. Admittedly it's because nobody ever asked, but it's got to be a workable defense, surely?
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03-15-2007, 01:19 AM
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| | | Want to know how to spot a hypocrite? Look in the mirror. Everybody is guilty, it's part of being human.
Newter doesn't surprise me, I'd be less shocked to hear that a bear shits in the woods.
Al Gore is a bit of a surprise, but not for the hypocrisy, but for the fact that he didn't hide it better. I want to bitch slap him for being so stupid. The same to all the Leo's and Cameron's, and all the rest of the annoying little Hollywood royalty who belittle everyone for not driving a Prius, but take a private jet to take a shit. |
03-15-2007, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Misanthropic Superhero Want to know how to spot a hypocrite? Look in the mirror. Everybody is guilty, it's part of being human. | obviously, but there's a HUGE difference between being a bit of a hypocrite and having an affair while insisting that a person guilty of the same goes on trial for it. |
03-15-2007, 09:16 AM
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