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03-15-2007, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Sophia_ Keeping the issue in front of the public is the best way to create change. |
It is indeed, I get so busy this time of year! I liek to do my bit. I do loads on myspace, there's tons of groups on there. | 
03-15-2007, 12:48 PM
|  | whirling dervisher | | Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Spin me
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Originally Posted by Judeeboobs It is indeed, I get so busy this time of year! I liek to do my bit. I do loads on myspace, there's tons of groups on there. | All we can do to change the world is our best. I admire you for doing your best effort in the battle that matters to you. Don't get upset or frustrated--just keep doing your best. In the end it will matter to others because it matters to you. Do it with love and enthusiasm and you make the largest difference. People change not becasue they are hated or made to feel guilty, but because they want to see themselves as good, or admired. This is why they wear the furs to begin with. You knew this.
People forget, so your efforts are not in vain, yet what energy you expend will permiate the whole and affect those sitting on the fence of inaction. Be patient, this type of change takes time.
What efforts you expend in this battle will define you. I see a strong woman with guts, smarts, compassion and determination. I admire those qualities in a woman. | 
03-15-2007, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Sophia_ All we can do to change the world is our best. I admire you for doing your best effort in the battle that matters to you. Don't get upset or frustrated--just keep doing your best. In the end it will matter to others because it matters to you. Do it with love and enthusiasm and you make the largest difference. People change not becasue they are hated or made to feel guilty, but because they want to see themselves as good, or admired. This is why they wear the furs to begin with. You knew this.
People forget, so your efforts are not in vain, yet what energy you expend will permiate the whole and affect those sitting on the fence of inaction. Be patient, this type of change takes time.
What efforts you expend in this battle will define you. I see a strong woman with guts, smarts, compassion and determination. I admire those qualities in a woman. | Very kind words, thanku!
I do get quite upset, but I try my best1 lol. | 
03-15-2007, 03:57 PM
|  | Banned | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: It can't get worse
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Originally Posted by kesh it's prettier
i think aesthetics is behind a lot of the seal clubbing thing. if they were ugly and red on purest white wasn't such an intense combination
i'm against killing animals for profit, but not to killing them to live. obv there's a lot of grey between these two positions | I just asked a Norwegian I know whose father hunts baby seals why they club them and he laughed and said "it's more fun"...  | 
03-15-2007, 08:14 PM
| | Yo Momma | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Shady Pines, Ma, Shady Pines
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Originally Posted by Judeeboobs Sad news..
"Although the European WHITE COAT ban instigated in 1986 had a dramatic effect on the seal pelt market, it is a troubling fact that the world demand for seal pelts is now growing" http://www.harpseals.org/hunt/pelts.html
Buyers:
Norway 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005
Greenland
Finland
Hong Kong
Germany
Turkey
Russia
Denmark
Kazakhstan
Mexico
Subtotal 476,123 3,795,958 6,572,703 10,844,357 13,415,213
Others 75,507 529,346 684,191 821,518
Total 552,630 4,325,304 7,256,894 11,665,875 13,415,213
Help stop the seal slaughter by boycotting ALL products from the following companies.
Birger Christensen
Ostergade 38
DK-1100 Copenhagen K Denmark
Phone: 45 33 11 55 55
Fax: 45 33 93 21 35 bc@birger-christensen.com
Makes and sells harp seal fur garments. In their store, they also sell harp seal fur garments made by Prada and Dolce & Gabbana.
Prada
Prada S.P.A.
Via Andrea Maffei, 2
20154 Milan, Italy
Phone: 39 02 54 67 01
Prada (U.S. office)
Katherine Ross, V.P. of Communications
610 W. 52nd St.
New York, NY 10019
Phone: 212 307 9300
Dolce & Gabbana
Via Goldoni, 10,
20129 Milano, Italy.
+39 02 774271
Fax +39 02 76020600.
Gucci
685 Fifth Ave.
New York, NY 10022
212-750-5220 clientservice-europe@gucci.it
Versace
Donatella Versace
Versace S.P.A. Headquarters
Via Manzoni, 38
Milan ITALY 20121
Phone: 39 02 76 09 31
Fax: 39 02 76 00 41 22
more here: http://www.harpseals.org/hunt/pelts.html | Thanks for that info! I was just about to order some cosmetics from one of those companies, now instead I will be emailing them telling them why they won't be getting my money. | 
03-16-2007, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Misanthropic Superhero Thanks for that info! I was just about to order some cosmetics from one of those companies, now instead I will be emailing them telling them why they won't be getting my money. | That's wonderful! Already we're makin a diff, but spread the word and try to get other people to boycott too. some people boycott Canada completely, travel, products, they say hit them where it hurts!
som stuff on who processes pelts, boycott them too:
"WHO PROCESSES THE PELTS & HOW?
There are only a few major processing companies. Atlantic Marine Products ( PO Box 39, Main St., Catalina, NL, Canada A0C 1J0, Tel: (709) 469-2849, Fax: (709) 469-3211, Contact: Chris Pilgrim. Sales manager: Martin Duchesne, 709-785-7387, aag819@thezone.net; Plant manager: Dean Russell, 709-469-2849, cell 709-468-6347), the second largest, is a subsidiary of the Barry Group (one of the largest seafood companies in Atlantic Canada) and has a plant in Catalina, Newfoundland .
ATLANTIC MARINE PRODUCTS now sells over 100,000 pelts each year. They are capable of processing up to about 150,000 pelts in their Catalina plant.
Another processor, CARINO COMPANY LTD., (P.O. Box 6146, St. John's, NL,Canada A1C 5X8, Tel: (709) 582-2100, Fax: (709) 582-2487, Contact: John Kearley), which is owned by a Norwegian corporation, has a plant in a sealing town called South Dildo, Newfoundland. (We are not making this up!) The plant is located in a small industrial complex next to a fish processing plant. There, employees make great efforts to maintain a low profile, worrying that any attention they get will be negative. There are no signs that say "Carino" on their building.
The processing of the pelts requires more than a month and involves several steps. Each pelt is approximately 3-4 feet long by 2-3 feet wide. The usual process involves soaking them in brine for several weeks and then tanning them, but the pelts can be stored for several months in brine without any degradation. Some of the pelts are also dyed. After the pelts are tanned, they sell them to brokers, who in turn sell them to fur coat and accessory manufacturers in China and other countries in the Far East, Russia, Siberia, and Western Europe (see table above).
We have heard that thousands of excess pelts are stacked in warehouses throughout eastern Canada and Norway. This may or may not be true (we are currently trying to verify its accuracy), but if we consider that over 300,000 seals were killed in 2002 and only about 85,000 pelts were exported, according to government statistics, the question remains, "What happened to the rest?" One Atlantic Marine Products brochure states ,"We keep our warehouse well stocked at all times…" Perhaps that's their way of looking at the bright side..."
( http://www.harpseals.org/hunt/pelts.html) | 
03-21-2007, 08:11 AM
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| | | Thanks for the positivity u guys. As the time of the hunt approaches, I have an awful lot of emotional stuff on my plate, and so it's bloody hard to get that image out of my mind! | 
04-02-2007, 05:05 PM
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| | | The hunt's begun people, hope u'll still keep helping, it's still important even now and for the future.
I'm going to watch tv to distract myself, I've been getting seal hunt update emails and it's upsetting...
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04-03-2007, 04:49 AM
|  | ZTedster | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: herding cats
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Originally Posted by Judeeboobs I don't want to get anyone's back up about this, but I wondered if anyone had any opinions about it?
I am of course about it and there follows some info that I hope isn't too biased? I have tried to consider everything and would like to spread the word...
A baby seal can be legally killed once it molts its white fur, which usually begins at about 12 days of age, bludgeoned with a club.
Seals are routinely CLUBBED or shot and left to suffer on the ice, then dragged over the sides of boats with sharpened metal hooks AND SKINNED ALIVE.
Most of the harp seal carcasses (including the meat) are simply abandoned on the ice. This isnt killing for food or survival, its killing for fashion.
The only economically valuable parts of the seal are the pelts of defenseless seal pups, a non-essential luxury product no one really needs.
Fully 95% of the harp seals killed over the past five years have been under three months of age. At the time of slaughter, many of these defenseless pups had not yet eaten their first solid food or taken their first swimthey literally had NO ESCAPE from the "hunters."
Best thing u can do IS SPREAD THE WORD AN DISCUSS IT! Especially with members of countries who still buy the pelts. Norway and Canada of course.
Boycott not only Newfoundland and Labrador tourism, but that of PEI, and let merchants know you are doing so. Spread this message far and wide! They are clearly sensitive to the issue. Go to: Touring Newfoundland .
More to do:
Send the big companies a little note.
There are many companies who haven't signed the pledge yet. Ask them to do so by emailing their corporate offices.
Have a chat with your local restaurants and business owners.
Encourage them to join the boycott by educating them using our boycott pocket guide, then asking them to fill out the pledge for businesses.
Put the seal hunt on Labour's agenda
You can help put the seal hunt on the political
agenda. ( http://www.kintera.org/TR.asp?ID=M72...41898140108065)
PLEASE SIGN THE PETITION! AND PASS THE WORD!
Sign: www.thepetitionsite.co.uk | Are you for abortion? | 
04-03-2007, 05:04 AM
|  | I'm Designer | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 1,768
| | ^^ SUCH an intelligent and legitimate question, since clubbing a living breathing seal to death is exactly the same as aborting a dependent fetus.
And the reasons are exactly the same too.
A seal is clubbed to death to make rich people a pretty coat, and a fetus is aborted because the mother can't/won't care for it, or because her own life is in danger.
Very simular indeed.  | 
04-04-2007, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ZT3dster Are you for abortion? |
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