http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070303/...identity_sales

The U.S. government just discovered people buying real birth certificates for resale to illegal aliens..

Ohmigosh, I knew people doing this when I as a kid in the 1980's ...

I do not even think there is a law against selling your own birth certificate..

Homeland security is concern the terrorist may do the same thing..

Ohmigosh I am worried about the mental state of the United states leaders in charge of your security....

I had to read the article several times because I do not believe what I am reading...

This is really sad

Of course they're incompetent, Americans elected them.

J/K, Americans have done good things. Like television!

I think we've covered the fact that you're basically on your own in regards to security. See: Katrina, 9-11, etc.

Self-responsibility IS freedom. Why would you want to be a dependent and live a subsidized life?

because thats pretty much made obsoleteand completely un"realistic" through things like oh i dunno parent figure govts and other networks of constructs for social and survival control

the current administration is meant to be and be seen as incompetent

We exist in an odd state at the moment, where we are free to relinquish any kind of self-control to our government if we want, or take more or less total control of our lives if we want. It's strange. The government's so busy trying to make the enemy without seem scary to those who would listen, I think anyone who didn't listen could get away with more or less anything now.

didntlisten to what? terrorthreats?
get away with what?
tax evasion?

My son and daughter are free and independent. I don't subsidize their welfare, and they have chosen to be self-responsible people without government or corporate support. Freedom is for those who seek it. Others are supported based on their conditions to survive dependently. I understand this does not make one better than the other, but why would someone subsidized complain about others?

I wish the best for people and wish them to be as free as they can be responsible for themselves. I struggle financially myself, yet I never stop to think that the governement or my parents owe me a life. I came here to find a rewarding life by my efforts and thoughts. I love independence, and am willing to accept the consequences that come with it. I am responsible for my own pursuit of happiness. I help others when they ask for help, but I believe most people want to help themselves.

Very perceptive. I like this post. You are correct.

We are as free right now as any time in history. As you pointed out(in other words) the pursuit of happiness is for those who perceive that the door to the prison of tyranny is open.


"The master most imprisoned is s/he who has the most slaves"
~~osho

*Must have been listing to paladin*


"Blinded by self-importance... the visionaries of society haven't the vision of a blind musician nor the perception of a churchmouse_"
~~carefulcarpenter

This country as a whole is incompetent. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, save of innocent people being killed, we get what we deserve.

If you voted for George Bush, shame on you. Hopefully you've learned your lesson.

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I was thinking more "bombing shit". But no, I just meant this illusion we're presented with that there's some "nannystate" that won't let us be free. It's bullshit. The papers make like it's terrible how much the government wants to rule our lives, we "take a stand" by ranting about it in the pub or on a forum, and we feel like we've achieved something when some retarded piece of legislature that was never going to pass anyway gets thrown out. We think we did it, and we didn't.
Once you get out of that idea, that just being "well-informed" is enough to change the world, then you're actually free to start making a difference to your own life specifically.

How about quoting some Gramsci instead? I mean, that would've actually been appropriate. It's a poor writer that writes more than he reads.

A nation of Narcissism lead by "the people of the lie" have promoted incompetance and thrown away those independent and morally sound individuals in order to maintain the "Image of Respectability". We, if we look deep into our owm conscience know this to be true. It is not really the best and the brightest who have risen to leadership, but those most willing and conditioned to sacrifice love, self-respect, and integrity, to advance into the elite group of falsely "successful and competant". We are a nation driven by "image". Just like the Victorian's who got wealthy and maintained a pretense of "high morals and ethics"; they eventually crumbled when their sand foundation eroded and brought two Great World Wars and a devastating depression. America does not reward merit like it rewards makind's lesser ills: greed and self-importance.

Things change when individuals take charge of their own lives. Governement and corporations can best serve the people only when the people serve each other for the common good.

Sorry, I like to think that my education has afforded me the luxury of being able to comprehend shit like this, but can you sum this up in a sentence? I think I may get where you're going ... first paragraph, I mean.

I totally agree with the second statement.

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"You get what you reward"
~~carefulcarpinter

America had promoted "image" over "merit". "Common sense" is the true intelligence.

I know it doesn't matter to you, but you'll struggle to find a single cultural theorist - i.e. a personal devotes their life to the deeper understanding of culture, humanity, society etc. - who agrees with you about "common sense". It's almost universally regarded as a tool used to manipulate people into being more easily led.

Darwin's theory of evolution would support the concept of "common sense" intelligene as a means to survival and replication. Chimpanzees weren't learned creatures, but had the common sense required to survive long enough to reproduce.

So that's pretty much what I was saying, we get what we deserve.

I read something the other night that Christian conservatives support the war because they believe it will bring on end of days? And they feel that doing something about global warming goes against God's plans to destroy the current earth?

I'm just so blown away by this.

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Dude, I seriously don't want to hear from another soul who thinks they have an opinion on evolution.

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