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Old 02-24-2007, 12:22 PM
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Angry Is your coat fur fake, or is it Fido?

WASHINGTON - That fur trim on your jacket that you think is fake? Tell it to Fido. An animal advocacy group says its investigation has turned up coats — some with designer labels, some at higher-end retailers — with fur from man's best friend. Some retailers were set scrambling to pull the coats from shelves, take them off Web sites and even offer refunds to consumers.

The Humane Society of the United States said it purchased coats from reputable outlets, such as upscale Nordstrom, with designer labels — Andrew Marc, Tommy Hilfiger, for example — and found them trimmed with fur from domestic dogs, even though the fur was advertised as fake.

"It's an industrywide deception," said Kristin Leppert, the head of the Humane Society's anti-fur campaign.

The investigation began after the society got a tip from someone who bought a coat with trim labeled as faux fur that felt real. Leppert and her team began buying coats from popular retailers and then had the coats tested by mass spectrometry, which measures the mass and sequence of proteins.

Of the 25 coats tested, 24 were mislabeled or misadvertised, the society said.

Three coats — one from Tommy Hilfiger's Web site ShopTommy.com, one from Nordstrom.com and one from Andrew Marc's MARC New York line sold on Bluefly.com — contained fur from domesticated dogs. The others had fur from raccoon dogs — a canine species native to Asia — or, in one case, wolves. The single correctly labeled coat was trimmed with coyote fur, but it was advertised as fake. One coat that tested as racoon dog fur didn't have a label and wasn't advertised.

Most of the fur came from China.

In response to the Humane Society's investigation, Tommy Hilfiger stopped selling the fur-trimmed garment and said it was looking into the matter. "We were quite concerned to hear of this finding," said spokeswoman Wendi Kopsick.

Nordstrom called the 62 consumers who had purchased vests with dog fur trim to give them the opportunity to return the vests "because we would never want to deceive our customers in any way," spokeswoman Brooke White said. She said Nordstrom no longer buys fur trim products from the vendor, who had marketed the vests as faux fur.

Charles Jayson, chief executive of Andrew Marc, disputed the Humane Society and insisted in a statement that all fur on his coats labeled as raccoon contains "only farm-bred raccoon fur from Finland, and our items labeled 'faux fur' are a 100 percent synthetic fabric."

Michael Markarian, executive vice president of the Humane Society, said his group had traded letters with Andrew Marc over the test results and that the Humane Society stands by its research.

"Our tests have clearly concluded that not only is this real animal fur, but it's fur from domestic dogs. The fact that they don't believe us is unfortunate but we have confidence in our testing results," Markarian said.

But overall he said the Humane Society was pleased with retailers' response. "We think that the corporations want to do the right thing and that they are being deceived just as much as the consumers are being deceived," Markarian said.

Importing domestic dog and cat fur was outlawed in 2000. Intentionally importing and selling dog fur is a federal crime punishable by a $10,000 fine for each violation.

Raccoon dogs look like oversized, fluffy raccoons and aren't kept as pets. Importing their fur is not illegal, but activists argue they are still a type of dog.

"This is an animal that is routinely killed by stomping them, or beating them, or skinning them alive," Markarian said. Video produced by Swiss Animal Protection and posted on the Internet shows raccoon dogs clubbed or slammed on the ground and some writhing, gasping and blinking as they are skinned alive.

The discovery of domestic dog fur is the latest twist in the investigation that ensnared retail giants Macy's and J.C. Penney late last year. Both of those retailers were discovered selling coats with raccoon dog fur labeled as raccoon.

J.C. Penney initially removed the offending garments from its stores around Christmas — but eventually it had employees scratch out the 'raccoon' label with black magic marker and put the coats back on the shelves. Macy's immediately pulled the items from its shelves.

Burlington Coat Factory also pulled some coats with mislabeled fur from their shelves. Rap artist Sean "Diddy" Combs stopped producing and selling coats from his Sean John line that had raccoon dog fur, and rapper Jay-Z pulled coats with raccoon dog from his Rocawear label.

Mislabeling fur is a misdemeanor punishable by a $5,000 fine or a year in prison. Fur valued at less than $150 is not required to be labeled.

A bill introduced by Reps. Jim Moran, D-Va., and Mike Ferguson, R-N.J., would close that loophole by requiring labels for all fur regardless of its value. It also would ban fur from raccoon dogs.

"Americans don't want Lassie turned into a fur coat," Moran said. "In the U.S., we treat cats and dogs as pets, not trimmings for the latest fashion wear."

Other retailers the Humane Society said sold mislabeled raccoon dog fur included Lord & Taylor, BergdorfGoodman.com and Neiman Marcus.com. Designers whose clothes were mismarked included Donna Karan's DKNY and Michael Kors. A coat from Oscar de la Renta advertised as raccoon had raccoon dog fur.

Neiman Marcus, which owns Bergdorf Goodman, said it removed Bogner and Andrew Marc coats from its Web sites. Michael Kors said it was investigating, and a DKNY spokeswoman said the label was unaware that raccoon dog fur had been used.

Donna Karan's executive vice president for global marketing and communications, Patti Cohen, said, "While it is not illegal to use this type of fur, we have taken measures to ensure that it is never again used for any of our products."

A spokeswoman for Oscar de la Renta declined to comment.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070224/..._us/dog_fur_13
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Old 02-24-2007, 12:27 PM
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That's kinda hard to make sense of; is it outrageous because
  • the dogs are mistreated?
  • the dogs are cute?
  • the fur was mislabelled?

Or is it just a general combination of the three?
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That's kinda hard to make sense of; is it outrageous because
  • the dogs are mistreated?
  • the dogs are cute?
  • the fur was mislabelled?

Or is it just a general combination of the three?
People were misled.

Its like when McDonalds said their french fries were vegetarian acceptable but they neglected to tell people they coated their fries at the factory in beef fat.
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MacDonalds is like a crazy soap opera character now. It's done the Blair trick of becoming so cartoonishly evil that it can get away with anything because people know they can't reason with that kind of arrogance.

But yeah, misleading them is bad, and mistreating the animals is bad. I just got a bit confused by the stuff about how "here in the US of America we love dogs and stuff" figured into the actual issue at hand.
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Organ sales from political prisoners, dogs sold as fake fur-whats next from our
dictatorial free tade partners-coats made from political prisoners?
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That I'll wear.
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the fur trade just totally fucking repulses me. sick, sick bastards.
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that's horrible. the whole idea of real fur bothers me considering the age we live in. this article's specifically worrying not because they used dogs but because people were walking around wearing real fur thinking otherwise. i dunno. i'd be really, really annoyed if i found out i had somehow supported the fur inductry unknowingly.
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I dont like fur!
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that's horrible. the whole idea of real fur bothers me considering the age we live in. this article's specifically worrying not because they used dogs but because people were walking around wearing real fur thinking otherwise. i dunno. i'd be really, really annoyed if i found out i had somehow supported the fur inductry unknowingly.
yes, I don't even like the fact that google has been putting up ads for fur because of this thread.
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yes, I don't even like the fact that google has been putting up ads for fur because of this thread.
i hadn't even noticed that. urg. it's so gross (fur).
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that's horrible. the whole idea of real fur bothers me considering the age we live in. this article's specifically worrying not because they used dogs but because people were walking around wearing real fur thinking otherwise. i dunno. i'd be really, really annoyed if i found out i had somehow supported the fur inductry unknowingly.
Yes it is annoying.
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I knew there was a reason even the faux furs repulsed me.
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Fake fur bothers me on so many levels. It's been surpassed by everything in terms of style, comfort, warmth etc., so the only reason to wear it is for the look of it, and since no-one likes fur anymore, what's the point?

I'd wear fur it is was older than the animal's natural lifespan. I don't agree with getting rid of stuff like that, just like I don't agree with bookburning.
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Oh yeah sure like you guys have NEVER killed a small furred mammal and danced around in their skin until your father came home early and caught you, locked you in the tool shed and then grounded you from playing Silent Hill for a week right?

right.

Aesthetically, furs are simply a symbol of status. Like Hummers or anything that resides in LA, they are indicative of an arrogance and inconsequential attitude towards the natural world. We can (and routinely do) afford fabrics that are cheaper, more efficient and more humane, but some choose not to because fur is more exotic. We do not revere the ferret or mink that lies limp, slung around our neck, but rather we pride ourself that we are wealthy enough to afford the image and percieved status it brings.

This article reminds me of the organic food debate, though-- the fact remains that until there are effective and widespread ways to measure and track what kind of product is being imported, manufactured and sold at shops everywhere, it is impossible for the public to be effectively "protected" against mislabeled and mismanaged products.
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my coat fur is real
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Oh yeah sure like you guys have NEVER killed a small furred mammal and danced around in their skin until your father came home early and caught you, locked you in the tool shed and then grounded you from playing Silent Hill for a week right?
I'm still convinced my parents would ground me if they knew the kind of games I buy. And I'm in my 20s and don't live with them anymore.


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Aesthetically, furs are simply a symbol of status. Like Hummers or anything that resides in LA, they are indicative of an arrogance and inconsequential attitude towards the natural world. We can (and routinely do) afford fabrics that are cheaper, more efficient and more humane, but some choose not to because fur is more exotic. We do not revere the ferret or mink that lies limp, slung around our neck, but rather we pride ourself that we are wealthy enough to afford the image and percieved status it brings.
How does the cost of fake fur compare to real fur these days?
I mean, it doesn't matter than much, just makes the difference between a guy wearing cheap fake fur, or a guy wearing expensive fake fur that isn't really worth it.
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How does the cost of fake fur compare to real fur these days? I mean, it doesn't matter than much, just makes the difference between a guy wearing cheap fake fur, or a guy wearing expensive fake fur that isn't really worth it.
There are no stores that will tout that they sell "real" (note quotations) fur here in lefty vancouver. I'm sure some of the rich asians i deliver to have their sources though, I swear one of them has a brolly stand made out of ivory. for serious.

Fursource sells real CANADIAN fur...

and not this :



but rather this



this "catface" rug will run you 1000 bones USD .

You can also buy "end bits" like tails or faces separately in bulk or for $5 USD each.

Fur price depends on the animal and garment.
For instance, A Rabbit fur hat will be $70-100 USD, but a skunk or ermine fur will cost upwards of $210 USD.

Minus 25-65% of that price for something tagged as "fake"
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Sorry, I meant how much does fake fur cost relative to fake fur when it was legal and popular? But I've lost interest.
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