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Old 02-22-2007, 09:31 PM
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Circumcision reduces the risk of HIV by 60%

I know that I've seen threads on kittyradio about cricumcision before. I sort of have a fetish for the uncircumcised cock, but I have a cut one.

I still think that it is better to use a condom rather than depend on the lack of foreskin. But, eh, that's just me. ^^

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LONDON - Scientists say conclusive data shows there is no question circumcision reduces men's chances of catching HIV by up to 60 percent — a finding experts are hailing as a major breakthrough in the fight against AIDS. Now, the question is how to put that fact to work to combat AIDS across Africa.

The findings first were announced in December, when initial results from two major trials — in Kenya and Uganda — showed promising links between circumcision and HIV transmission. However, those trials were deemed so definitive that the tests were halted early.

The full data from the trials, carried out by the United States' National Institutes of Health, were published Friday in The Lancet.

"This is an extraordinary development," said Dr. Kevin de Cock, director of the World Health Organization's AIDS department. "Circumcision is the most potent intervention in HIV prevention that has been described."

Circumcision has long been suspected of reducing men's susceptibility to HIV infection because the cells in the foreskin of the penis are especially vulnerable to the virus.

A modeling study done last year projected that in the next decade, male circumcision could prevent 2 million AIDS infections and 300,000 deaths. Last year, 2.8 million people in sub-Saharan Africa became infected with HIV, and 2.1 million people died.

Experts say the breakthrough is a significant one on par with the identification of the virus and the use of lifesaving combination drug therapy.

The two U.S. studies confirm similar results from an earlier trial in South Africa. Given the recent failure of a microbicide trial in Africa and India, and the ongoing difficulties in developing an AIDS vaccine, the potential of circumcision as a new weapon against HIV has become even more significant.

But they caution solid evidence is not justification for mass circumcisions.

African health systems are already overburdened. Circumcision requires much more planning than, for example, an immunization campaign.

"It's a tricky one, but it's something we're going to have to move on," said Dr. Catherine Hankins, a scientific adviser at UNAIDS.

"Male circumcision is such a sensitive religious and cultural issue that we need to be careful," she said.

Several African countries have already met with U.N. agencies to explore new strategies for increasing circumcision services. Swaziland, for instance, recently experimented with a series of "Circumcision Saturdays," where existing health care facilities, normally closed on weekends, were opened by local doctors to circumcise approximately 40 men a day on certain Saturdays.

Providing circumcisions across Africa would not be the first time surgical procedures have been adopted by public health campaigns.

"Cataract surgeries have been carried out extremely efficiently to prevent blindness worldwide," said Dr. Richard Hayes, an AIDS expert at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. In some places, the cataract surgeries are performed by trained paramedics.

In recent years, the fight against the AIDS pandemic has focused on the provision of lifesaving drugs. The circumcision data gives prevention, rather than treatment, renewed emphasis.

"Treating people with antiretrovirals is completely unsustainable unless we can turn off the tap of infection," said Hayes.

While circumcision may offer new hope, it is not a cure for the epidemic.

"This is an additional tool, and it must not replace other interventions," said de Cock, who added that there will be no push for universal circumcision. "There is no one size fits all solution for AIDS."

Together with the United Nations AIDS agency, WHO is convening a meeting in Switzerland in early March to evaluate the circumcision data, and to decide on the next steps in slowing the AIDS pandemic.

In the Kenyan study, 1,391 circumcised men were compared to 1,393 who were not. And in Uganda, 2,474 circumcised men were compared to 2,522 men who were not. After tracking the men for two years, scientists found that circumcised men were 51 to 60 percent less likely to contract HIV than their uncircumcised counterparts. Since the studies were stopped, all the men have been offered the opportunity to be circumcised. And all the men were warned not to lapse into sexually risky behavior, such as abandoning condom use.

Scientists theorize that women would benefit indirectly from lower HIV prevalence in men, and a study is currently ongoing in Uganda to determine this.

In areas where HIV is spread primarily through heterosexual sex, such as sub-Saharan Africa, male circumcision could theoretically slash the infection rate in half.

It is unknown whether circumcision would be equally effective in concentrated AIDS epidemics, as in Asia and eastern Europe, where AIDS primarily strikes gay men and drug users.
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Is this really the guy's last name?
Okay yeah immature but I just find it kind of ironic/funny that that is thename considering the topic of the article.
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Is this really the guy's last name?
Okay yeah immature but I just find it kind of ironic/funny that that is thename considering the topic of the article.
Oh crap! Hahahha, I didn't even see that when I read it! That's coincendental.
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I met a girl who recently visited Kenya. According to her, Kenyan men say AIDS stands for America's Imperative to Destroy Sex. She also said the men shared their wives. Whenever you wanted someone's wife you put your spear in the ground next to her door and no one can enter until you've done your business.
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Circumcision propogates the jewish agenda by 100%
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I met a girl who recently visited Kenya. According to her, Kenyan men say AIDS stands for America's Imperative to Destroy Sex. She also said the men shared their wives. Whenever you wanted someone's wife you put your spear in the ground next to her door and no one can enter until you've done your business.
interesting... no wonder so many of them have aids.
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mutilation over education blah blah blah.
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what si the reason it reduces the risk?? I believe it's not in the article.
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Exactly! People shouldn't be hating on foreskin.


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what si the reason it reduces the risk?? I believe it's not in the article.
I believe the article stated that the cells in foreskin are more acceptable to HIV with, "Circumcision has long been suspected of reducing men's susceptibility to HIV infection because the cells in the foreskin of the penis are especially vulnerable to the virus."

If you mean the actual cause, such as what makes foreskin more prone to HIV, the article doens't mention; but, realize this is an article taken from yahoo news.
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I see.

This is all pointless. I think it's a safe thing to say that the only way to put an end to this is to wear a condom. Do it damn it!
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I think it's utterly irresponsible that they would release this information to the public. Way to tell every bonehead out there that he doesn't need a condom as long as he's cut? It's so effective, they're even going to use it on Africa!

I can't believe they're actually even thinking about using circumcision to prevent the spread of AIDS. Hello? Knock knock? It's still not 100% foolproof?

The fact that they want to do this in Africa makes me feel uncomfortable in the extreme. This shit is just not good enough. It seems like a rather desperate get-out initiative rather than a genuine solution to a problem. I'm not trying to pretend the problem can be easily solved, because attitudes and the culture of sex there don't seem to be changing quickly enough. But what is this now? An admission of failure? An acceptance that every boy has to have this utterly pointless intervention just so he is a bit less likely to contract HIV? It's ludicrous.

And if he does contract HIV, despite his circumcision, he's still going around banging more people without condoms (and infecting them) because the scientists implied that it's okay to.
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correct me if I'm wrong but isn't most of Africa catholic??

I think that's a huge part of the problem. We are all going to be in the same vicious circle unless the catholic church changes its approach to sex.
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correct me if I'm wrong but isn't most of Africa catholic??
i'm pretty sure you're wrong. most of africa is christian or muslim, but as far as christianity, i don't think catholicism is in the majority.
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I met a girl who recently visited Kenya. According to her, Kenyan men say AIDS stands for America's Imperative to Destroy Sex. She also said the men shared their wives. Whenever you wanted someone's wife you put your spear in the ground next to her door and no one can enter until you've done your business.
Cool where can I get a spear?

Lately I been checking out a few neigbhors wives...
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oh my god. i mean i don't even know where to start
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i'm pretty sure you're wrong. most of africa is christian or muslim, but as far as christianity, i don't think catholicism is in the majority.
parts of west africa are predominantly catholic, ie nigeria
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this is nonsense.

what about gay men? a cut cock is not going to help you when someone cums inside you w/o a condom. sorry to be blunt.

besides i've known many men w/ HIV and all them were circumcised. i find this study to be complete crap and, like black mambo said, v. irresponsible.
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I think it's utterly irresponsible that they would release this information to the public. Way to tell every bonehead out there that he doesn't need a condom as long as he's cut? It's so effective, they're even going to use it on Africa!
I think that's a ridiculous armchair assumption, that it would actually make things worse for people to learn about something new. Are you one of those people who thinks everyone in Africa is, like, fucking in a pile of sand?

Anyway, they did in fact test your question on their sample.

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A major issue involving circumcision as a public health tool is whether men who choose it will be less apt to take other precautions, such as using condoms or forgoing casual sex.

Data presented Tuesday suggest that this "risk compensation" is not taking place, at least over the short term.

The randomized study of about 2,800 men in Kenya, which is still underway, found that at the outset 20 percent of the men reported always using condoms. That has now increased to 35 percent. The proportion of men who reported paying for sex has fallen from 18 percent to 9 percent.

"Our behavioral counseling seems to have had some effect," one of the study leaders, Robert C. Bailey of the University of Illinois at Chicago, told the conference.

Another study from Kenya followed what happened to men who chose the procedure and compared them to men who did not. The circumcised men were no more likely to have liaisons outside marriage, to have multiple partners, or not to use a condom.
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this is nonsense.

what about gay men? a cut cock is not going to help you when someone cums inside you w/o a condom. sorry to be blunt.

besides i've known many men w/ HIV and all them were circumcised. i find this study to be complete crap and, like black mambo said, v. irresponsible.
Do you have a problem actually reading things? It says the way this helps bottoms (e.g. women) is via reduced likelihood of AIDS in the tops.

It also says it doesn't know how the statistics would hold up in areas of AIDS that's transmitted primarily by homosexuals and drug users.

Saying you know guys with HIV that are circumcised is particularly baffling to me. Where does it say people who are circumcised don't get AIDS? WTF?
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