The Guardian reports on the not so green David Cameron :

Vote blue, go green. That is the motto of Conservative leader David Cameron. And he has gone to various lengths to prove it. There was sledging with huskies in Norway; he has also extolled the virtues of a £10,000 wind-powered generator he wants to add to the roof of his home in Notting Hill, London; and he has promoted the obvious benefits of electric cars even though - and this is his green trump card - he cycles to work. So, practically no carbon emissions.

Well, so long as there isn't a chaffeur-driven Lexus arriving shortly after the Tory leader's two-wheeled departure to collect his clean shirt, paperwork and freshly polished shoes. It was revealed last night that, as Mr Cameron champions the need for better parks, more recycling and heading to the Arctic to examine climate change, his briefcase and other personal effects have their own personal courier.
"David is well-known for cycling to parliament," one source told the Daily Mirror yesterday. "But they always send his car home as well to pick up the morning papers and any personal items he'll need for the day. He leaves a pile of things inside the front door."


http://politics.guardian.co.uk/conse...ticle_continue

One source told that to the Daily Mirror so it must be true?

Even if it was true, just what exactly do you expect the leader of the opposition to do? Do you really expect Mr. Cameron to carry the morning papers and all of his necessary personal things for the day around with him as he cycles on his bike through the busy streets of London?

no, just expect him not to pretend to be doing osmething he isn't/.

Typical Grauniad headline.

God I love The Guardian David Cameron and the tories in general are such bullshitters when it comes to policies and the tragic thing is much of the British public are swallowing it!
They will get voted in then every one will wonder why the economy starts to crumble, poor people get even poorer and the country in general turns to the shit. Do people not remember what the country was like pre new labour? I do and I remember the place being in a real sorry state of affairs.

Why would the economy 'start to crumble' under a Conservative government? What do you actually know about economics?

They do not invest in public services as much, which does affect economic progress. Cameron is against the minimum wage, you have to invest in people to make the economy grow, otherwise if people are not going to be better off working than on benefits there is no real incentive to work (remember employment levels at 2 million?).
I also do not agree with setting student loans at commercial rates, people from poorer back grounds will not be able to afford uni, this too will eventually effect the economy as less people will be going into the professional jobs i.e. less health professionals means lack of quality of patient care, more people on the sick and unable to work and contribute to society.

Bullshit. Read the Conservative Manifesto, not the Grauniad, then you may discuss Conservative social policy with me.

Your 'economics' do not make make sense. Your predictions are bullshit. You ought to read F. A. Hayek, Ludwig von Mises, Adam Smith.

People from poorer backgrounds like me can't stand your naive bullshit.

Do people remember what the country was like before the Conservatives came to power in 1979? Crippling tax? Labour government cuts? Strikes? The Winter of Discontent? The recessions that occurred under every previous Labour government?

The stable economic growth began under the last Conservative government, five years before Labour came back into power and was thanks largely to the reforms that took place in the 80s. If the Conservatives were so wrong, why didn't Labour reopen all of the closed mines? Renationalise the services? And if Labour are so great, why are they sacking hospital staff now? Why are they no longer allowing new nurses to be hired? Why have they hiked up taxes to such a point and yet there isn't any significant improvement in services? Why are Job Centre staff being sacked and going on strike? Why do Labour feel it necessary to charge students for an education when it was free under the Conservatives? Why does the chancellor continue to raid pension funds for £5 billion a year when he knows there's a huge black hole there? Why do workers have to retire later and receive smaller pay rises when Labour ministers are giving themselves excellent pensions and pay rises? What about the job losses at Rover and Peugeot thanks to the government’s policy of high taxes?

What about Charles Clarke allowing murderers and rapists back onto our streets when they should have been deported? What about John Prescott being a hypocrite after attacking Tory sleaze only to have an affair himself and put his wife through so much shit? What about Ruth Kelly allowing paedophiles to work in schools? What about John Reid having cannibis found in his house? What about Tony Blair's lies and bullshit? Does all of this seriously compare to someone is actually sending out a positive message to people (whether it be for political gain or not) needing to have a car to take his belongings to work? SERIOUSLY?

msn now, pleeease.

I have read it thank you what people write in a manifesto and what they put into actions can be rather different. I read The Guardian because it is my newspaper of choice. I have studied Adam Smith thanks.
I am not naive I am just entitled to my own opinions I am also from a poorer background and I vote labour because it is my choice. I thought we lived in a democracy not a dictatorship where every one has to do every retarded thing you say.

Seriously, read economics before you claim that a Conservative government would have a negative effect on the economy of England and Great Britain. Marx doesn't count.

You were 12 years old when the Tory government was voted out.

Did you enjoy "ranting, mainly on the hypocracy of the american government" more before Hopscotch or after it?

you sound like a party activist doing their bullshitting work.
The thread was about Camerons shoes going by car whilst he pretended to be Green.

And yes I do remember what things were like under the Torys and no I don't want to back to those days again; my morgage rate went up to 15% and many people lost their homes and their jobs under Thatcher and we lost all our industry.

I doubt that you are old enough to remember what you wrote about and that you read it somewhere. I am old enough to remember.the 50s 60s 70s and 80s. There had always been a swinging from left to right,from policy to policy. Now we have right and far right and no difference between them.

However as example of balance I also did the cheeie blairs hair thread.

I think you all politicains stink. So don't hijack this thread

Millions of other cyclists manage to do so.

i wonder if boris johnson does, now that he's the opposition spokesman for something or other

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Millions of other cyclists aren't the leader of the opposition and have less necessary personal items to carry with them.

OK, since we're arguing on a completely idiotic level anyway: why doesn't the guy driving the car with his shoes and morning papers in it ride a bike as well? Halve the load.

I'm sorry, but it's just ridiculous for you to try and justify it: he's cycling into work to prove his commitment to the environment but creating just as many fuel emissions to do so as if he'd just driven in. Why defend him?

That post was a direct reply to drinkuppretty’s and they were the one to deviate from the original subject:

You didn’t pick up on that did you? You have wandered from the subject of the initial post and so I’m going to reply.

The events of Black Wednesday were thanks to the then Major government’s commitment to joining the European single currency. The Conservative party now are committed to keeping the pound and so those events won’t be repeated. For other cases interest rates are set by the Bank of England and so there is no danger of any party playing politics with them again (and they all did it).

Many people are losing there jobs now under New Labour thanks to high taxes making it extremely difficult for UK business to compete with others abroad. As far as national jobs go: Job Centre staff are being sacked, nurses who have been trained using tax payers money aren’t being hired, front line hospital staff are being sacked along with people working in call centres and manufacturing under New Labour has declined rapidly.

People did lose their houses when the Conservatives were in power but don’t kid yourself into thinking that people aren’t losing them now. The Council Tax burden is at an all time high and it’s increasingly difficult for people to keep their homes (OAPs get thrown into prison for now paying and yet it was ok for Prescott to not pay his for 9 years?). The number of homeless people in temporary housing is at an all time high of over 100,000+.

The point is that the mess Labour left the country in, in 1979, didn’t stop people from voting them in again in 1997. Why should the Conservatives be treated any differently? They paid the price for their failures in 1997 when they lost the general election and have been confined to the opposition benches for 9 years. What matters is what happens now. Not what happened during the last Conservative government just as what happened under the previous Labour government didn't stop people voting for Labour in 1997.

Why should people continue to vote for the current government when they keep failing the way they do? You can twist and spin the situation all you like but the fact is that the PRESENT government is failing and blindly following them while they continue to tax high, introduce laws which attack our personal freedoms and sack people left, right and centre is only going to encourage them to do exactly that again and again.

I guess because people tend to vote for who they want in charge rather than what the party as a whole will do for them. I'm almost tempted to vote Labour after being a lifelong Lib Dem simply because I don't want another amoral apolitical salesman in charge of things.