mm is like an excuse, right?

most alcoholics don't have a choice but to not drink. if something is hurting/killing you, and/or you're hurting/killing others, your ***** *** probably shouldn't be drinking. (that was an in general ***** ***)

i don't really understand what this thread is about if it's not about an excuse.

tbh this is the first time i've heard of this program.

i should've read more before i gave an opinion.
(i used to think if i did drugs in moderation i'd be able to handle it. that didn't work out for me...)

um, bill w. had lifelong sobriety after forming AA... but yeah, he smoked a lot! im curious, why do you think AA sucks? have you ever worked the steps?

I'm not too familiar with moderation management, but from reading a few things online it seems like an interesting approach for someone who identifies as a "problem drinker" rather than a full on alcoholic. i dont see how this is at odds with AA, which actually recommends that people try controlled drinking if they are not sure they are powerless over alcohol.

I go to AA meetings and work the 12 steps with a sponsor. i work on my program every day and that works for me.

btw, it is common for people to think AA is somehow related to Jesus, but it's so clearly NOT that anyone who is even slightly informed and continues to perpetuate this is a bit thick IMO.

I think for a lot of people it is. On so many levels. Denial is such a powerful part of alcoholism / addiction that a lot of people don't realize how deep in it they were until they've achieved a significant amount of clean and dry time.

I had a profound moment at about 3 months sober where I realized how many lies I had sold myself and I broke down in tears - with so much gratitude that I finally woke up to my own truth. a truth that was so buried, no one else could have told me. I don't think I would have had this experience with moderation management.