My depression got so bad that I had to get on meds. It was so bad I would liken it to a bad case of the flu which had no end. I contemplated suicide and the thoughts of evil in the world and humanity disturbed my emotions constantly. If it weren't for my kid, I'd be dead.
Now, I had tried the Bach Flower Remedies for some of the symptoms. And while they did work somewhat, I found that I had to self-administer them throughout the day. Like I have nothing else or better to do.... I will grant that natural remedies can work, and I'm sure that in the long run they are healthier. But give me pills or give me death. Gimme chemicals anyday. Just pop a pill in the morning and you feel better, and one at night to go sleepie-time.
Any one else feel the same? That chemical drugs are better than natural remedies?

It mostly depends on the indivudual's stance on drugs. Some people don't like the thought of messing with the natural chemistry of their bodies. The fact that they depend on meds is depressing in itself, and no anti-depressant can banish that knowledge. However, it can be argued that everything we put into our body, be it a pill or a sandwhich, affects our brain's chemistry. So not everyone is bothered by it. Whatever your stance is, I think that with pill-taking comes a tremendous sense of resignation to the fact that you are depressed. There are different types of happiness, and meds can't bring about happiness of the conscience.

I like how you compared depression to an ongoing flu btw.

Depression is a healing time. Your body is telling you. The question is how to discern what you are being told. Usually you are fighting the natural growth cycle. All the advice in the world is no good if one cannot , or does not want to see it. Change how you see the world and yourself. This is not possible without depression. The magnificent device: the body and pain. This assists the hidden true self which sends signals from the unconscious to the conscious.

How do we read the signals? It takes an existential crisis usually.
Why can I not be happy with what I have? Because I don't want to face what I have become. I fear change. I fear that I cannot accept my true self. I resist, therefore I get depressed because I want to world to validate my false self. Depression forces me to face my stagnation and to seek to find a new path of perceived lesser resistance, which is a change in perspective and self-motivating. Depression is your mind's adjustment period--the storm clouds before the new dawn of awakening. Drugs interfere with the long-tern effects your unconscious mind is seeking; keeping you on the same path you're on.


"Depression is a symptom of a resistance movement against one's true nature and Self"
~~carefulcarpenter

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A love that never can die for it is a wild seed living inside us, and it is what it is;
Love: that which bonds the reality of one's being to the mystery of the unknown;
Wildflowers: evidence revealed."
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Ignoring the idiot above me, I have been on meds since the turn of the century. Only recently they suggested weaning me off them - so - there is a light at the end of the road because one day you will be able to function normally like you did when you were 5 years of age.

Personally, I think as children we are highly resilient to depression and other forms of social illness.

Remember those times - the times when you were normal - whatever that means - and always hold on to that you will return to that state again after the meds have gone away and done their work.

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I'm an idiot, so tell me why you think so? I'd like your sincere view. Lay it on me, bro.

What is "normal"? Do you mean ignorant and fitting in nicely with the world?

Drugs--done their work? You mean they put your mind in a state of suspended animation until YOU did the work, right?

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Marerophilia:
A depth of love that youth can seldom appreciate or communicate;
A love that never can die for it is a wild seed living inside us, and it is what it is;
Love: that which bonds the reality of one's being to the mystery of the unknown;
Wildflowers: evidence revealed."
~~carefulcarpenter

I last all of about 2 months without meds and at first I thought I was going to be ok. I was working on my thinking more positively and using meditation and trying really hard. But, it just got so bad I would do anything to stop the excruciating pain. To answer the guy who said you can go back to who you were: um, easier said than done. and, um, the longer you are on meds the worse you will feel while off them. they are very addictive in that way, and who I was 15 or 16 years ago cannot be a criteria for my life now. I'm a complete different individual, chemically, emotionally. mentally and physically. I don't think anyone's comments are stupid or useless, I just think that alot of people oversimplify depression.

why is it about a 10:1 ratio of girls to boys on meds?

and then you take into consideration most meds were developed by men, does this not worry anyone?

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Would you like a cigarette? They're quite exellent.

The world is full of envious and manipulative psychopaths. They benefit individually from your misery and dependency. G.O.D. (gold, oil, drugs) are their means for attraction since otherwise they are empty and without the means to connect to life. You become their avenue for power and control. Misogyny is at the base of their motives for the Great Mother is alien to their basic instincts; they are psychologically separated from Her love. To maintain control and have their devastating effect these individuals require your participation. In their eyes the divine feminine principle must be buried, for creativity and intuition lay obstacles to the implementation of their will. First they must undermine the spiritual strength and independence in their objects--G.O.D. provides the means to institute their will over your own will. They will manipulate and medicate you for their own grandios gratification, but they will NOT lift a finger to help you out of your depressions; they will procure for you the tools (GOD) of your enslavement.

They cannot control the intuitive, acausal, or creative aspects of the feminine principle, therefore they trash it and twist your minds. Anti-feminism can manifest in both men and women so "Look Out" and think about what you see right in front of your faces: Mirrors.


"With love and compassion your true friends will show you what you need to know; others, out of convenience will tell you what you want to hear"
~~carefulcarpenter

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Marerophilia:
A depth of love that youth can seldom appreciate or communicate;
A love that never can die for it is a wild seed living inside us, and it is what it is;
Love: that which bonds the reality of one's being to the mystery of the unknown;
Wildflowers: evidence revealed."
~~carefulcarpenter

i REALLY like the idea of bach flower remedies. do you drink them or wear them though?
however i really want to go on effexor. ssri can suck it. i want somethign mind numbing

effexor totally ruined pills and sex for me. neither of them would work when i was taking it. it sucked.

you drink them with water. my mum is obsessed with them. you can put a few drops on your skin and rub it in too though.

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i hate the sex though bron and have given it up again.
also given up pills. so might be a good thing