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Old 06-29-2008, 08:56 AM
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Hulk Hogan, Gagne & Brunzell vs Ex Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura, Adonis & Blackwell

Gagne owned Ventura and Hogan at the time.
YouTube - Hogan, Gagne & Brunzell vs Ventura, Adonis & Blackwell
I'm a little disappointed that you do not have a more positive response (or at least a small chuckle) to my parable of you, Soph, in the TV wrestling ring with the real retired TV wrestler, Greg Gagne. The parable has you fighting a match with this husband of your spiritual wife for her honour, or her right to have you as her spiritual husband, and your right to have his legal wife as your spiritual wife, or simply as a plain TV wrestling duel between conflicting ideologies. But the story could be much more than just this simple basic moral story of how humans should behave or the moral limitations of our belief in what Love is. It could show what Love could be.

This parable idea I've introduced could be realised as a video or play introducing the theme of 'Marerophilia'. The TV entertainment wrestling match between you, Sophia_ the Careful Carpenter, and his nemesis, Greg Gagne, could be the final scene of at least a three act play. Let's call the parable play: 'MAREROPHILIA' !!! It's your play and you should be the one to write it. Maybe, for once, there is no victor and no loser in the TV Wrestling Wring; maybe for once there is no violence, and everyone gains wisdom of what Love really is. People learn of Marerophilia through the parable of what happens in the spiritual showdown over a new kind of love in the Ring of Life.

Perhaps your parable's parallel meaning was too unspoken and a little too implicit for you ? It seems obvious that one third of the parable's prescriptive subtext of the interactions of the three persons concerned would be Gagne's motive and actions in feeling he was being wronged in his marriage by his wife being your 'spiritual wife'. The moral being that one shouldn't have or entertain the thought of having a spiritual wife who is already married. Or at the least, one should not consider a man's wife his own spiritual wife without the express O.K. of the woman's legal husband and the O.K. of the spiritual wife. (an O.K. from your legal wife was something you already said she gave you) (Do you have an O.K. permission note, or something from Gagne ? If so, please just ignore this humourous parable as one that would then be not inherently probable as a realistic story. )

And thus the parable presumes that Gagne, being the tough, non-spiritual macho wrestler, would want to kick your *** in the TV wrestling 'wring' for you having spiritually messed around with his wife behind his back. (I know, it seems that he doesn't care or love your spiritual wife because he is always out on the golf course and ignores her spiritual and relationship needs by hanging out with his rich friends too much.) So, that would be the prescriptive subtext of the TV wrestler's part in the extended metaphor of the parable.

The parallel meaning of the parable to real life, by M.G. sitting at ringside quietly crying, mascara running, while her husband turns the Careful Carpingter in to a limp, unconscious form on the mat, implies that she can not, or does not want to, do anything to try to alter the course of this conflict. She must feel powerless to do anything more than just witness this battle over her. Now, if you like, her character could take some pro-active role and enter in to the ring as an empowered participant. She could make an incredible impassioned speech---full of Marerophilia Love. We could have the parable having her do something that would reflect her role in real life way better. We do not have to be limited by the chauvanistic, 1920's silent film era, vaudevillian atmosphere of the TV wrestling conflict scenarios. If you'ld like we could update the parable to bring it in to the new millenium. It could be way more interesting and more meaningful. The TV wrestling wring needs to represent your spiritual Menage A Trois, your spiritual marriage as symbolically real as possible. This would make for a much more humourous and educational parable. Is this Synchronistic or What ???

The same goes for your role in the parable. If you would like to change it to something that reflects your real role in the real relationship, showing your own real feelings, etc., please let me know. The cause of Marerophilia needs this. You could give me a basic storyboard of images to pre-visualize the action in the ring---along with an outline of events and script you would like to see. We could show the entertainment wrestling writers what is really hip and loving nowadays.

You don't have to end up as the fallen hero splayed out face down on the mat. You do not have to be the vanquished spiritual wrestler who loved spiritually in vain. M.G. does not have to sit by the ring sobbing while her husband raises both arms over your lifeless body and yells out a giant Hooorah for doing away with the Careful Carpenter interloper.

Give me a little help here, Soph_ !!! I want this parable to portray your correct extended metaphors that will have you wanting to be a part of this parable's creation. Parables are full of unlimited options in their reflections, as is life itself.

It doesn't have to be knee-jerk mimicry and borderline stalking for you. This could be a true American Spiritual Iconic three act play that the entertainment wrestling producers would buy. Seriously. You and M.G. have inspired this sophisticated drama, the likes of which the trite, boring revenge and vendetta obsessed scenarios of TV wrestling format have never, ever seen.

Let's all stand up for 'Marerophilia' !


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Old 06-29-2008, 12:05 PM
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I compliment you on your artistic vision, but I don't think an unknown cyber-poet can make much of a difference in the current world where literalism and politics dominates almost all venues, including the rich new soil of the internet, and I'm not sure the general audience is ready for some of the mystical insights I have to share about love and the human spirit. We'll see.

The true test for me in my practical life is whether people will put their money where their mouth is and support a local handyman's effort(think globally, act locally, support your local community) to help heal lonely, dissociated wealth ac***ulators who have benefited from public policy and corporate welfare and believe that pro wrestling is real-- and that they actually amassed their wealth because of their personal genius(daimon). These are the people who we must encourage to participate in local community development ie. my dear friend, the priest, philosophologist, professor, and local business and land owner RP.

There are many ways of approaching the story of Marerophilia. I'd be entertained to sit down with you sometime and brainstorm. As of late I think maybe I will write a transcript and leave it to be read after my death. I want nothing to detract from a dear friend's prosperous life.

The story's subject should be about an intelligent, spiritually beautiful, and pro-active woman who dreamed of proving that a woman can make it to the top in America and still be a loving mother and friend; and included should be the men who truly loved and supported her behind the scenes. Some of these men may have made great personal sacrifices for her freedom to reach these dreams.

The play could be staged in the coffee shop located in an airport where this woman was a flight attendant and the spokeswoman for a major airline. Her husband could be referred to as "World Champ" but not actually in the play, since he was on the road most of the time and not home much. The carefulcarpenter could be flashback memories when she was the girlfriend of a promising young gentleman who opted out to give her a chance for the social limelight that her father and mother had enjoyed when they were in their youth. The element of intrigue could be a mystical experience where cc gained insight into the future--and then 33 years later those insights could be revealed to the female protagonist, including physical evidence from her childhood days, along with empirical evidence that only a rare few in the cast are intuitive enough to see. Of course the audience would have the benefit of the objective view.

The play could start out from a literal perspective and little by little reach the "perception of a churchmouse", or more suitably defined as a metaphorical view from the outside of rational and dogmatically defined "real" life. Maybe a movie such as "It's a Wonderful Life" could be showing on the plane. In the airport there should be a corporate concessionaire called "The Coffee Emporium" for which many of the scenes take place. This way the "dark force" of "terrorism" could play a subtle and background presence representing the culture of fear and anxiety which embodies life portrayed via the airport backdrop.

For a rough facsimile one could view the movie "Notebook" and see a remarkable resemblance of the life of these people. MG is often stopped in airports and told she looks just like the main female character played by Gena Rowlands. I believe James Garner's character is reading poetry to her in this picture I've included. The tear-jerker for me was the scene with the "Periwinkle dress". Garner played the role of a carpenter. In the opening scene MG said to herself as she sat watching the movie with her daughter--"Omg, that's cc talking".

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A play would have to go beyond the concept of the "Notebook" or people would not just see a coincidence but would believe the play was copied from the movie. How synchronicity can be fairly portrayed would be the artistic genius of the play-- it would have to touch the soul of the audience and wake them up to a parallel reality, thus they would want to read the play again to better gain a true insight into "the project".

The general title suggestion: "The Periwinkle Dress" : Background music of Courtney Love and Iris Dement



A line I would want to use that ties the real to the theatric would be: "I wish you weren't so beautiful because it attracts the wrong kind of men. When we are in our fifties I'll tell you what it is about you that I love so much".

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Old 06-30-2008, 03:04 PM
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this is really weird, i was thinking about making a thread like this the other day!

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also my best boyfriend said i am the smartest person he knows AND YET the one with the least common sense.
LOL! i've been told this a few times too. like i can quite happily write a 6000 word essay but then i'll manage to injure myself doing something simple like emptying the bin i think it's hereditary, my uncle once described my dad to someone by saying "he's the smartest guy i've ever met, but he's got no common sense whatsoever". haha.

i got a nice compliment on saturday night from my boyfriend's friend. i was having a bit of a moan about a couple of my mates who are being arses, and he said something along the lines of "the thing with them is that they love themselves and they think they're legends, but they're not. whereas you actually are a legend but you don't go on about it."

my mum's friend, who hasn't seen me for about ten years but who saw a photo of me the other night, apparently said i looked like ava gardner. i don't see it but you know, it's nice to be told.
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