well the list oasis posted is very informative, but yea i agree i doubt anyone will take the list shopping with them. i have made a few changes however.

i dont buy iams anymore. instead i use an organic cat formula. also, instead of clorox products, i use METHOD (at Target) i think it would be exhausting to actually find pure non animal tested products for eveyr single thing you use, but for the things that are easy to change i know every little helps.

i don't know anyone who uses herbal essences. they kind of downgraded it IMO, they used to have really earthy fantasy type of packaging and scents. now it just looks like something only preteen girls would buy.

i actually know that list off by heart and they always buy their cosmetics according to it...

But Roddick sold The Body Shop to L'Oreal, who are huge animal-testers. So while Body Shop products might themselves continue not to be tested, Body Shop's profits go to a company who does. I used to love The Body Shop, now I hate it like I hate Procter & Gamble and I'd never give them a penny of mine

A few ompanies who don't test on animals, off the top of my head:
Urban Decay
Lush
Avon
Co-op own-brand (love their shampoos and conditioners)
Paul Mitchell haircare
Hard Candy

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

It is not legally required that cosmetic items are tested on animals. In fact, it is illegal to test these things on animals in the UK

So how do people like Procter & Gamble get round it? Their products are produced in other countries and imported, or else they employ other people to do the testing for them

Who on earth told you this?!!! Do they work for L'Oreal or something?

It is true that it is legally required in the UK that drugs are used on animals before people can use them. Which is quite obviously absolutely senseless as you don't need a physiology degree to see that human beings and rats/mice/rabbits' bodies work rather differently, but now I'm getting off-topic.

Clarins! I forgot Clarins! Clarins are one of the original anti-animal testing companies. They're wicked and their stuff is absolutely safe.

Redken test on animals.

that seems to make more sense. my friend told me who was apparently told by a teacher who worked for a place that did human/animal testing. maybe i/he misunderstood what was said and the teacher did actually mean just drugs.

mac and aveda are owned by estee lauder so you could make the same argument against them.

Yeah, the PETA ads & Morrissey campaign worked on me for iams; although I don't have a cat/dog I'd certainly look down upon anyone who did feed theirs iams...then I'd explain to them why.

Yay! The Co-op is great. I think all their own brand stuff is also fair trade; even better.

so.. people actually don't use products just cause they test on animals? woow.. haha. so weird!!

lush do not test on animals
they test on humans

I didn't know that. But I've never bought owt from either and don't really plan on doing, so that's okay If you'd told me of some heinous link Paul Mitchell or Urban Decay has, I'd have been v upset, though!

I forgot Prescriptives - they're all right

Lush are class. And what's vegan and what's not is clearly marked, too. The New Body Shop, for sure.

some people just feel strongly about this issue since these animals are being abused.

like i'm all for eating meat and such, but just free ranged animals. not animals injected w. hormones and tortured and casterated w.o pain killers.

these companies that test on animals also hit them and throw them against the wall and inject them with poisons. the animals go insain from living solitary and end up biting their own legs and arms off from the insanity and just living a miserable life.




so yea that's more imporant than my hair smelling like a botanical garden

Oh honey please, your hearts in the right place, but you are ill informed. Animals that are "free range" still live a horrible life and die a painful death just like any other factory farmed animal. The "free range" label is there to fool you, and you bought it, the requirements for free range are minimal at best. Chickens still live in cages, though this time they can move their wings, they still have no beaks, and are killed just the same. Cows are still castrated, the babies are still veal. The people who raise these animals see them as a means of profit, not a living animal with thoughts and the ability to feel pain, they're just dumb dollar sighs to live stock owners. The lack of hormones is something that helps you, not the animal. They're still beaten, shocked, and killed inhumanly, just as any animal that's made to be slaughtered.

Also, for people looking for ethical beauty products, try whole foods, some stuff is a bit pricey, but others are really a bargain. My eye make up remover is by a company call Beauty without cruelty or BWC, and it works great and is only five dollars a bottle. Also, I believe that all Queen Helene products are animal testing and ingredient free, their products can be found at most drug stores and target.

I really highly recommend companies like Method or any other animal/earth friendly cleaning supply company. They work just as good as any other cleaning product, and the best thing about them is that they don't have the super strong odors like some products have. This is really great for me since I live in a small apartment, I don't have the lingering smell of floor cleaner for days. Method's laundry detergents are wonderful too!

Argh. Sorry. That rep was supposed to be negative.

hmm thank you for the free ranged info. i thought i was actually doing something good.

i agree on the whole foods thing. or you could also make your own beauty products like face scrubs and such.

it just seems like the only way to get away from this monopoly of harming animals is to own a farm (which i would love) and grow your own stuff.

and the free ranged chickens are expensive compared to the other crap. i've actually considered going vegan all together for about a year now i guess im a little afraid to make the change. i did subscribe for info at peta. i do like meat, but i find myself at times feeling gross about eating it if i think about it too much i mean its obviously a part of life and im aware of it. i guess i have mixed feelings.

i remember being on a farm one time and witnessing a cow giving birth which i thought was just amazing (Esp when you're 12) but as soon as the baby was born, these farmers whisked the baby away i was like WTF?!!!! i think its so unnatural and cruel.

bottom line is i need to continue doing more research esp now on the free ranged thing. t.y for that information i really appreciate it. like i said im not against eating meat or against anyone who does, but damn if it means more money toward big corporations who are careless and cruel then i'd be better off not eating meat at all.

ugh yeah i use simple. hmm well in the UK sainsburys don't test on animals so maybe i'll have to move onto them. i'm happy to hear about mac and bare escentuals, i love their cosmetics.

does anyone know if boots test on animals?