do you know any?

not indie, not folkie. do you know what i mean?

I'm not too sure about the question.. but I'd try something by Tom Waits. Like, Alice, or Blue Valentine or something. Christmas card from a hooker in minneapolis from that album is a beautifully sad song.

It's just good anyway. you cant go wrong with Tom Waits.

Alice in Chains Dirt. Only because that's what I'm listening to now and the lyrics are very dark and Rooster is a good sad song.

hmm thats actually kinda hard. allthe ones that pop into my head first are definitely folky (ie: springsteen's 'nebraska', gillian welch 'time the revelator')

these are mostly moody and can be dark and melancholy as well, imo:

mad season- above. this is a BIG one, absolutely fits the bill.

any mark lanegan album, esp scraps@ midnight and field songs. hes VERY moody and dark.

the cure-disintegration

jackie greene-rusty nails (*kinda* folky country)


if you want one off songs, i can think of many more..

agreed with the mad season album. and tom waits.

disintegration by the Cure might be obviouse but it's sad. i think its really sad.

oh fuck, you said disintegration too. oops.

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the cardigans - long gone before daylight

i don't know what that not indie thing means. what does indie mean? not on an independent label?
anyway, this one is more seventies sounding, more fleetwood mac than folky or anything like that.

To The Faithful Departed - The Cranberries
Souvenirs - The Gathering

Radiohead-ok computer
Sorry if it falls under "indie" for you.

people always say they don't know what indie means, which is so ridiculous to me. it's like when people say: what's emo? and then these people go into some long rant about how most punk is emo, etc, and how emo stands for emotional, and most music is emotional, blah blah blah.

indie: bright eyes, nick drake, modest mouse, that annoying band that sings "soul meets body," arcade fire, belle & sebastian, the shins, damien rice... etc.

basically, if pitchforkmedia is talking about it extensively, if it could be on the OC... the guitars aren't distorted... no hard drumming (ever)... so-so singing often, weird production to cover up weak song-writing, accoustic, etc.

nick drake writes sad stuff... but i don't want something sad and mellow. i want a sadder version of in utero. in utero was fucked up, and it was sad, but in a funny sort of ironic way. and not always sad. it has this really thematic thing about human body parts, etc. it wasn't just all sad.

does this make sense?

i don't just mean hard rock... i just mean not folkie or indie, i suppose. not mellow. like fiona apple, but sad instead of angry... not analytical "i'm gonna get over this" stuff, but just utter gloom.

dirt sounds good. i'll check that out. any more ideas?

How about 'Is This Desire' or 'To Bring You My Love' by PJ Harvey?

Goddamn, I'm always pimping this band but I have to do it again: "The Nightly Disease" by Madrugada. It's generally pretty dark and depressing, but not in an obvious way. Some of it's pretty slow-paced and gloomy, some of it's a bit more upbeat and rock-y but it has that overall theme of utter despair running right through it.

Agreed with Blue Valentine.

Um, I like Dirt but I'm not sure if that quite fits the bill for me.

"Neon Ballroom" by Silverchair is generally a really sad, depressing album. But it's a little bit hard-rock at some moments. Most of it is fairly downbeat and beautiful, but it's heavy on the angst.

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